Holistically heal your body with acupuncture

Holistically heal your body with acupuncture

In this interview, I talk with local entrepreneur & acupunturist Amy Kuretsky as we talk about self care, acupunture and other holistic treatments for anxiety and stress as well as how to prevent burnout.

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Hey, what's up everyone? Welcome to the 20th Click the podcast conversations with creative on hills Jenna Redfield and today I have Amy Krinsky in the house. Hey, at Studio Cowork, and she's going to explain to you what she does, because I am not quite sure

Amy Kuretsky 1:06

is it's a constant evolution and actually, there's been some life changes lately.

Um, what's the one thing I do is that I here in Minneapolis, co own and acupuncture studio, I've been an acupuncturist, here in town for over four years. I had my own studio for several years. And then actually, just last month, I merged with another acupuncture and we opened up a larger space, we did a whole build out and hired two more acupuncturist. So we have a whole clinic now it's in downtown Minneapolis and the North loop. It's called constellation acupuncture and healing arts. We offer obviously acupuncture, but also Chinese herbs, energy medicine, like breath work and Reiki, we also do workshops there. And we do tarot readings, we are kind of like a all out whoo, whoo, healing

Jenna Redfield 1:52

shop in one. Yeah, cuz I've been totally getting into that kind of stuff lately, because I've found out that I'm an empath. And it's been very like eye opening, I just bought one of those salt lamps yesterday, we have one in every treatment. And I I don't know, I like I just read that it's apparently good for the environment. And it's just good for your room. I'm not sure if you can explain that a little bit more to me, because I just want to know that I made a good decision.

Amy Kuretsky 2:19

I like salt lamps, whenever there's a lot of like technology somewhere or any place that you're trying to get a lot of healing what they do, it's I probably going to mess this up in the in the science of it, but it's something about neutralizing, like the positive and negative ions. Um, but you know, as for being an empath, I mean, something that would be really interesting for you to look into. It's kind of what you'd call like energetic hygiene. You know, like we think about hygiene for our body is we wash our hands after we remember before we eat, but we forget about like, washing our energetic body of all of the other people's energy, we kind of like absorb throughout the day, so like, not just like washing your body off of like the dirt, but actually washing the energy off. How do you do that? There's a couple different ways. I mean, through different like meditation practices. There's specific like guided meditations, called cord cutting that work really well. I also just even think like, a nice salt scrub. At the end of the night when you're taking like a bath or a shower. Salt, just like salt lamps, is really cleansing. And so I have a little like Tupperware of just some basic salt, like doesn't even need to be

Jenna Redfield 3:29

like Epsom salt

Amy Kuretsky 3:30

kind of know like literally,

Morton's.

Okay, cool, or like kosher salt. And then I have a bunch of like lavender oil that I like poured in there, too. And I just like, grab a handful of that, get it a little wet. And just

Jenna Redfield 3:43

interesting, because I, I've been getting more into self care lately. That's our topic for November. So I want to have you on because I feel like acupuncture is something that I've been so curious about and never done it before. I've just recently started going back to chiropractor, and I'm actually probably gonna have her onto because she's really good at that kind of stuff as well. Is that whole, you know, all the muscles in your body? They'll work together. It's all like, it's so interesting to me, like, how did you get into this? Like, how did how did you ever How did you decide to do this?

Amy Kuretsky 4:13

Yeah, so it's been like a constant evolution, like I said, lots of changes lately. But so when it comes to acupuncture, I originally got into this medicine, not because I had had acupuncture myself very much, because I was actually quite new to acupuncture when I started school. But I was very much interested in the Chinese herbal ism part of the curriculum. Because when you go to acupuncture school, you have the choice of just doing the acupuncture tract, or you do the whole Chinese medicine track, which is very much relied on Chinese herbal ism as well. And I have a history of autoimmune disease. And basically, over the last, like 13 years of having autoimmune disease, I went through a lot of my own like healing journey of like figuring out what works for me, and I absolutely believe Western medicine saved my life. But I also believe that Complementary and Alternative Medicine allowed me to then like, move away from reliance on Western medicine and allow me to have like, a flourishing life as opposed to just like surviving on drugs. So that's what got me into Chinese medicine was through the herbal ism track, but then I fell in love with acupuncture as part of it. And then basically, like, even through that, I go to acupuncture school, you learn a lot about healing, and I feel very confident in my medicine capabilities. But you don't learn anything about running a business. Oh, interesting. I mean, there's like a classes. Yeah, they're not that great. And so I really had to do my own research and be my own advocate when it came to building a business. Yeah. And through that, I feel like I learned a whole lot of stuff like was reading blogs all the time listening to podcasts all the time, like taking courses, all the things. And through part of that, I kind of realized that most Business Builders out here are not taking care of themselves, and are letting their health just kind of like fall by the wayside while they just like, you know, steam forward to have that train. And so then I got really interested in helping other creative entrepreneurs, like focus on their self care. So that's why I say that there's a lot of changes. Yeah, I have my acupuncture business on one side here in Minnesota. But then I also have my like, more virtual business. Yeah.

Jenna Redfield 6:22

And that's like where I heard about you was through like, the creative world. And as I was shocked that first of all, you were in Minneapolis, because I think I heard you on being boss. Yeah, that wasn't where I first heard about you. And then all of a sudden, like, Kayla was introducing me to it, I was like, what, what she's here, what is crazy. So like, that's, to me is so interesting, because I agree that creative entrepreneurs are, we like to do everything and be everywhere. And then all of a sudden, like, I felt that this year, for sure. burnout is such a huge issue. And I think that I've really over the last, like maybe two months, I've realized I need to like take care of my body. And so especially fitness, and I'm still really bad nutrition. And so I'm hopefully gonna have someone on the podcast to tell me like what to do with nutrition, but then also that your actual physical body is so important to, to really, like, get rid of all those stress and all the build up.

Amy Kuretsky 7:15

Yeah. And I think, you know, I absolutely agree. And I feel like it's so interesting, because here I am spouting off all this, you know, just talking about the importance of health and the importance of self care and how our health is what fuels our hustle. And people are like, Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I get it, I get it. And then I still hear over and over. It's like, Oh, no, I heard you say that. But like, it wasn't until I reached burnout. My dad, I really was true. Yeah. So that is always really funny to me that, like, people can hear it over and over. But it's until they actually experienced that themselves that they're really ready to commit to their own self care. And then when you were talking about, like, you know, moving your body and nutrition and what you eat and stuff like that. And I think that that is what is typically thought of self care. And I think it's an integral part of self care. Like, it's the basics if we can't do that, how can we actually expand from that, but I think that's something especially in the creative entrepreneur field that we really need to focus more on is more of the self care that isn't necessarily so body focus, and it's a little bit more like mind and spirit focused. Because as creative entrepreneurs, we're, we're driven, we like, we see what we want, we go for it, we tend to have a lot of anxiety, and a lot of fear, because there's this like, Oh, so and so it's out there launching this course. And like this person is opening their new studio space. And like we have this foam Oh, basically, like not being able to reach the same heights that other people are reaching. And that's where like really sitting down dropping in, like getting in touch with like, what our heart and spirit needs is like an integral part of self care that I think is missing when in the general conversation.

Jenna Redfield 8:56

Yeah, I agree. Because I think that it's, it's such a new field to be a creative entrepreneur where you can work from home and you can I feel like your life balance isn't great. Is that kind of what you've seen maybe from some of the people that you've worked with, because I know that you do, obviously like acupuncture, acupressure, acupuncture, but then you're also like working with creative entrepreneurs to like improve their, like, balance or what Yeah,

Amy Kuretsky 9:26

well, I have, like a originally started out as a workshop that I created to help people basically find their own perfect self care routine, because people are like, looking up on Pinterest was like, Okay, well, the whole idea of a self care routine is the idea that it's going to like rejuvenate like your spirit and your energy that you can't really like take somebody else's plan, because that's not yours. And so I created this fun little like two hour workshop to lead people through finding their own perfect self care plan and getting kind of strategic about like, not just one, what fuels them, but also how they can navigate possible obstacles and struggles. Because so many times people are like, Oh, I did this thing for two weeks. And then I like fell off the wagon. And this was really about helping people not only figure out what they wanted to do, but really how to commit to it long term. And then I was doing that with creatives. And the response I was getting was really great, but the people wanted longer term accountability and support. And so that actually turned into this group coaching program that I've been doing now. And so basically, we start with the workshop, and then we continue with these month, like every month, we get together as like a group coaching almost like a mastermind. Yeah, focus more on your house. Oh, that's awesome.

Jenna Redfield 10:38

So it's really fun. are most people is this local? Is this virtual is virtual? And so how are people finding out about it? Is it just through you? Or is it just,

Amy Kuretsky 10:48

it's mostly through me, my Instagram, my list? Okay, on being on my email us and then also like referrals from other people.

Jenna Redfield 10:57

And how many people are in this program?

Amy Kuretsky 10:59

It's pretty awesome. Usually our groups are like four people.

Jenna Redfield 11:01

Oh, wow. So it's like, really intense.

Amy Kuretsky 11:03

Yeah, I mean, it's, I feel like, anytime you're talking about your health, it is really vulnerable.

Jenna Redfield 11:09

Yeah, that's true. You don't want to have like 20 people knowing you're

Amy Kuretsky 11:12

totally fine. Our health care, like these are really personal things. So I think that's really important to have intimate groups of like, you know, two to four people on to really feel comfortable and open up and feel connected to the other people in your group, just like in a mastermind, like you're going to get more out of a smaller mastermind than you would out of a larger one because you have deeper connections with the other. Yeah,

Jenna Redfield 11:36

I've definitely been in both virtual and local masterminds. And I find Yeah, you're right, it's easier, the less people that you're able to open up a little bit more. And I feel like that's an interesting, interesting idea that you can do it virtually. So is it through? Do you do group calls? Or how does it work? Do it on Skype, Skype,

Amy Kuretsky 11:55

or Google Hangouts?

Unknown Speaker 11:56

Do you have like a curriculum? Or is it more just just talking about stuff?

Amy Kuretsky 12:00

So the very first one is like that workshop, so it is more of a kind of curriculum based, but I work from a very more like, what you could call intuitive standpoint. And so I find that the universe, I'm going to get like, whoo, but I feel like the universe brings together the right people at the right time. So for instance, like, you know, the very first cohort I did, they had different needs than the second cohort I did. And so if I just had like, a basic curriculum, or like, month one, we do this, and I teach you this month to we do this, it wouldn't be as effective and be as it wouldn't touch the people. Yeah, the same way, and they wouldn't get as much out of it. And so by me kind of just feeling into like, Okay, what are the challenges that this group is facing, because for some reason or another, like, the groups always tend to have the same challenges like not the same from group to group, but like the people that gather together in that group, and each time, the participants have not known each other beforehand. So it's been totally random people, and just the way it comes together, they've made to work on the same thing. So it's been kind of really great to see that evolution.

Unknown Speaker 13:04

Yeah. How do you get your resources for these workshops? Is it just past experience? Or do you like, read a lot about, you know, the latest practices? I guess,

Amy Kuretsky 13:15

it's a little bit about I mean, I've been in the natural healing world now, what is it 2017, I've been in the natural healing world for like, 10 years, okay, so I have a lot of experience, you know, I have a master's degree, like, it's a lot of past experience. And then I'm continuously learning like, not even necessarily on purpose, but just through like my own podcast, like, I'm listening to the people that I like listening to the books that I like to read, you know, because of my acupuncture practice, I'm continuously doing education, like continuous education for that, to help my patients. And that tends to really influence and inspire my coaching, as well. I actually went through a health coaching program a couple years ago, because what I I was finding with, in my acupuncture practice, you know, you go to when you go to a doctor, and then they write you a prescription, and then the doctor is like, the, the no at all in the situation. So you just do what they say, because they're supposed to, but you don't necessarily do it, because you understand why you're supposed to do it. And what I was finding is, you know, patients are coming to me, and they're expecting me just to tell them, like, Oh, you should stop eating gluten, or Oh, you should be meditating, you know, 10 minutes a day or whatever. But when I would kind of give these more, quote, unquote, prescriptive advice, there was, you know, a 5050 shot, maybe they would, you know, do it, maybe they wouldn't do it and adhere to it as much. And I found that I really wanted to understand more the psychology of coaching, and really the psychology of like, getting people excited and committed to their own, like creating their own goals and their own strategies of achieving those goals. Yeah. And so by going through this health coaching program, I really started understanding the psychology in the conversation, and then the questions, and helping people navigate their own healing journey, instead of me directing on that. Yeah. And since doing that, I found that adherence is like, way higher.

Jenna Redfield 15:09

Interesting, because I think you're right, the our society is so used to just, it's like, doctors tell me what to do. I do it. And they don't really take it up on their own to research or even understand why they're doing things. So that's really cool.

Amy Kuretsky 15:23

Yeah, and sometimes they're like, resistant, you know, there's a lot of

rebels out there in our society, you know, so the idea of like, Oh, well, so and so told me to do it. So I'm going to do the opposite.

Jenna Redfield 15:34

You know, and so really been healthy.

Amy Kuretsky 15:36

It's all about like, gaining some autonomy over your own health. And it's not being completely out of your control, like autonomy is all about, like, really taking ownership of making this decisions to have a healthier life.

Jenna Redfield 15:47

Because doctors like it. For example, if you need to lose weight, people don't always follow what the doctors say. And they just kind of do what they want. And like, for me, it's hard because people tell me Oh, you should eat better. Well, I just told myself that and but then I still don't do it. And it's,

Amy Kuretsky 16:05

you know, the question is like to really get down into like, Well, why do you want to eat better? Yeah. Yeah,

Jenna Redfield 16:10

yeah. And I think for me, for me, the reason I don't eat is because of laziness. I hate cooking. I hate spending time making food. So if I could just get something that's like a microwavable I just put in, you know, cuz I'm hungry. I don't want to spend the time, especially when I'm hungry. I don't like to cook because it makes me hungrier. And you know, and so I think for me, it's the cooking part. That's the hardest, which is weird.

Amy Kuretsky 16:33

Okay, so they'll be your podcaster

Jenna Redfield 16:35

say, Yeah, that'd be great. Because I want one person that I'd love to have is someone that does meal planning locally. So I'd love to have her. In fact, that Yeah, yeah. So interesting. So can you tell me a little bit more about acupuncture? Because I think a lot of people, they know what it is, but they don't really know how it works and why they need it. And also, like people are I know people are scared of it. Because like me totally Do you have a lot of people that come in are really scared.

Amy Kuretsky 17:03

Or, you know, the funniest thing that I find is that on average, the people that are the most afraid of needles, tend to have the most tattoos, which always, like acupuncture doesn't hurt at all. A lot of people like fall asleep on the table. Yeah, you're like, Okay, studying for like, hours at a time. Feeling like sandpaper? rubber. Yeah. Hmm. Um, but anyway, for acupuncture, really, in the simplest, simplest terms, acupuncture is about stimulating our body's own healing, natural healing response. So the idea is like, you know, when you get a cold, your body knows how to fight it, it has an immune system, it has like white blood cells and T cells in it, it goes in and it fights the infection, and then it learns from it, and it gets stronger every time and it gets better every time. But for one reason, or another, maybe through lifestyle, or through diet, or through stress, we kind of inhibit our body's own natural healing response. Like for instance, if you have cold and you were under a ton of like deadline stress, you're going to have a harder time fighting that cold than if you were, you know, totally just like chilled out, and like no big deal, like, get over a lot faster. And so our bodies actually know how to do all of the healing. You know, the idea of homeostasis is keeping our body in balance, like our temperature, you know, fluctuates, but it stays pretty stable. You know, it only gets high when you have a fever, when not, but the body wants to be in homeostasis, what acupuncture does is it uses some of the energy centers in the body to help create that balance. So it's not like the needles aren't fixing anything. The needles are just kind of poking your body saying, Hey, you, yeah, you know how to do this. It's time to do this.

Unknown Speaker 18:44

Is it like releasing anything?

Jenna Redfield 18:46

Because I've always heard that it's releasing the toxins or something? Is that not? Is that more of a?

Amy Kuretsky 18:52

Yeah, I mean, that's more of your like,

Jenna Redfield 18:55

people explain it.

Amy Kuretsky 18:57

Something that magazines like,

marketing perspective? Oh, it's detoxifying? Yeah. And it's like, well, it is circuit is increasing circulation of energy and one. So yes, in the circulation of more blood, you're going to be both bringing fresh blood to certain areas and pulling away old blood, which is quote, unquote, detox. Yeah. Okay. And also, there's like fire cupping? Yeah. You know, like, we have the little purple octopus marks on the back, that is also considered detoxifying, because it's pulling out that like old stagnant blood. Basically, there's like birth cells, BURR that are named for like their shape, because they're kind of more spiky. And they're like these kind of old red blood cells that aren't as useful anymore and don't have as much nutrition. And then basically, because they're old, and what cupping does is it really kind of forcefully pulls out those bursts also that fresh red blood cells can like, enter the tissues.

Jenna Redfield 19:55

And do you do that? as well? Yes. Yeah, like one of our Hey,

Amy Kuretsky 20:02

we have an actually, you were saying people that are needle phobic, you know, you could say on one hand, like acupuncture, you can tell people a million times that acupuncture is painless, and that it's super relaxing. But some people just they just the idea of needles, like a red line for them. There are other like non needle therapy, so things like cupping things like tween, which is a Chinese medical massage. Yeah, those are non needle therapies. One of our acupuncturist actually has worked at the Children's Hospital at the U of M, Fairview. And she has a whole protocol and different tools that she uses, that are non needle therapies on kids can totally be used on adults as well. But technically, it's actually used on kids.

Jenna Redfield 20:41

Yeah. And that's awesome that, I think it's cool, because I think people are so scared that the people that are doing acupuncture, don't know what they're doing,

Amy Kuretsky 20:48

you know, which like if you're in Minneapolis or Minnesota, and you have to be licensed by the state medical board, in order to have a license, you have to have a master's degree in Chinese medicine, which is like three to four year, year round programs that are like, trust me, anyone that is has an LAC after their name. So a licensed acupuncturist, they've had like 3000 hours of training, there are people out there that are both medical doctors and chiropractors that can do a certificate, but that's only like 100 hours of training. So it's a very big difference. So they basically are taught how to needle and some of the points but they don't learn any of the underlying like theory of Chinese medicine and like why maybe somebody that has shoulder pain, we don't actually put needles into the shoulder, we put needles in your foot interesting. Yeah. So there's a, you know, I'm not to knock anybody that doesn't have a licensed acupuncturist degree that is doing acupuncture, but there is a difference in what is what is learned.

Jenna Redfield 21:46

Yeah, that's true, because I had no idea any of this. So that's really interesting to me. So I guess moving forward, what is your goals with your business? Because you just opened this new place, and then you're also doing all these coaching stuff on the side? So kind of what what does that look like?

Amy Kuretsky 22:03

Yeah, you know, I, one of the reasons why I really, there are many reasons why I wanted to open up this new clinic, you know, I wanted to have more community with my other acupuncturist. And I love having a clinic where I'm actually interacting with other acupuncturist, and it's more of a bustling, like healing space. And that was a big goal of mine. But another goal of mine is to actually, like, build up a business that isn't as reliant on me, you know, this was my first business where I have employees, like, I can go on vacation and not worry that they have no income coming in. And so from a business owner perspective, that was really important to me to build a business that wasn't completely 100% reliant on me. And then by doing that, I would love to see that business grow even further, I would love to even you know, eventually take a further step back and focus a little bit more in on some of this coaching work that I'm doing. I've started doing retreats, which are really amazing. I, I have a retreat happening this winter in Joshua Tree out in California, the Joshua Tree desert, it's already sold out. Like the most amazing thing, I didn't even have to do any marketing for all and because that happened so organically and so easily. I'm really feeling like, that is something that I'm meant to be doing more and then so it was kind of this beautiful timeline where you know, as I'm building up this business, that's not as reliant on me I'm able to do more travel and do some of this virtual healing work with people in person all over the world. That's

Jenna Redfield 23:36

awesome. I did not know that. That's awesome. Pretty excited. Because I've never been on like health retreat or self care. Is that mostly what it is like self care? Is it like a like meditation?

Amy Kuretsky 23:47

Yeah, so I kind of talks about it as like a wellness retreat for mind, body and business. Okay, so it's an all female identified. Business owners. There's 10 of us total, we're basically doing it's three nights, four days, we're doing part healing circles and like healing events. And we're going to like go to a sound bath at the Integra Tron and stuff like that. But then we're also going to be doing some like kind of small group, masterminding from more of like, organic, like business marketing perspective, but not like kind of like cheesy marketing more like really getting in touch with like, yes, you know, I know, I know, this word is overused right now. But like authentic marketing and whatnot. And so it's going to be very much a vacation for people that very much like a healing trip and a business

Jenna Redfield 24:37

trip. That's awesome. I've never heard of something that does both of those, because they seem so different. Because when you're calm and relaxed and healing, you don't think about the stress of business. That's interesting.

Amy Kuretsky 24:47

I know. But I gotta say that, like when I'm in, like, for me, some of my biggest like business aha moments have been after Healing Sessions, it gets when your body is, at most calm your nervous system is that rest, that you're actually able to like, access your intuition more. And that's when I get these like light bulb moments. Like the whole idea of the retreat came to me after a session like that, where I was like, This is what I meant.

Unknown Speaker 25:14

I've had a lot of business ideas during fitness classes. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 25:20

Totally. Yeah. Cuz I all

Jenna Redfield 25:21

of a sudden, my mind goes somewhere. And I'm still doing all the movements, but I'm My mind is elsewhere. And then I have all these epiphanies, I guess and brainstorms stuff, because maybe because I'm just a little bit more relaxed and not thinking about things. And then that's when the creativity shows up.

Amy Kuretsky 25:36

Exactly. I mean, it's that idea of like, you know, physics, like everything that has a force has an equal and opposite force. So if you're like, you know, really forcing yourself to like, come up with this really great plan, you're going to be like, Yeah, right, I'm gonna push against you right now. And then it's as soon as like, you take a shower, or you take a nap or like, you go for a walk that all of a sudden, like that space in your brain just allows things to come into it.

Jenna Redfield 26:00

Yeah, I agree. And I think that, well, I was kind of on burnout, like a month ago when I started working here. And this has been great, because I feel like I'm not focused so much on money. As that was my biggest stressor is money. And now I can kind of I feel like my doors have opened to newer ideas and stuff. So is that something that you have dealt with yourself? With? Maybe your business? Have you ever figured out like, Oh, I, I don't like this anymore, I want to do something else. And something is stressing me out so much. Is that kind of?

Amy Kuretsky 26:31

Yeah. I mean, I

Jenna Redfield 26:35

guess my question is more. So you, you were doing acupuncture and and then you started doing the coaching and all that stuff. So was that more of a, just, I need something else in my life, or I just wanted to learn more about business. And that and I just stumbled into it,

Amy Kuretsky 26:49

oh, it definitely came from a space of burnout as well. Not necessarily burnout in my job, but very much burnout in the sense of it's a lot of it takes a lot of energy to do healing work in person with another person. And I was seeing, you know, like six or seven people a day, several days a week, and I was feeling real tired at the end of days. And I would do the energetic hygiene, and I would do all my things. But for one reason or another, I really, at that moment decided, like, I need to build a business that is not as dependent upon me physically being in the room with other people all the time. And so that's partly where that came from. And, and I think that that's totally normal and totally natural, like, you know, we hit different, like thresholds, and then that helps us push to the next one and make these new realizations.

Jenna Redfield 27:37

Yeah. So how do you realize that you have hit a burnout point? When is there like a point where you're like, people realize that they're burnt out?

Amy Kuretsky 27:46

Yeah, I mean, since you want me to give you an

example of my own firm recently, so I very much try to practice what I preach. And this, you know, a couple months ago, when we were doing all the work, you merge our businesses, which is basically creating a whole new business and like, doing a build out of this new space, and hiring employees, like it was a lot of work. And I must say that it was more work than I was expecting. And I was really good about like, you know, taking time off where I could, and keeping with my meditation practice, and basically doing like, the bare minimum of self care that I needed to do to survive. But one of the things that used to be very, very important to me was going to the gym several times a week I for fun, I like to do power lifting, competitive power lifter, like I I go to the gym a lot, and I lift heavy. And I knew that like my body couldn't handle that for a month because I was too stressed out and not even though exercise is good for the body. It's also a type of stress on the body. And so luckily, I'm of the mind to like, know that and be careful. But so then I thought that I was like, ready to go back to the gym a couple weeks ago, I went to the gym and no joke. I started crying in the middle my workout. And I was like, all right, well, this is a good indication that like, I'm still not ready to go back to the gym yet. And it was like literally just too much stimulation and too much stress on my nervous system that my body couldn't handle. So like crying. That's a pretty good indication of burnout, or like total brain fog, like not being able to create sentences or like having that word that just escapes you. It's because your brain literally doesn't have enough energy going yeah, enough like blood sugar going to it.

Jenna Redfield 29:31

Yeah, I've been I think it may be is probably because I'm an empath, but I do cry a lot. And I feel so much better afterwards. Is that kind of is that something that like most people have? Or is that just something that like some people they built? Like, for me, it builds up? Oh, absolutely. And then I just have to let it go. And it's like, sometimes I'm just like, I'm sorry, but this is just like going to the bathroom. Like I have to let it out.

Unknown Speaker 29:54

I can think of it like

Amy Kuretsky 29:57

think of taking in other people's emotions, your own emotions, like when you like you bite your tongue you like literally don't say something that you wish you would have said, and you're constantly swallowing down your emotions, like we have all these, you know, phrases like bite your tongue and stuff like that, where we're keeping things in instead of letting stuff out. And so it builds up and builds up and builds up, like you said, and then eventually we have to release. Yeah, crying is a type of Really?

Jenna Redfield 30:25

Yeah, it definitely is for me. And maybe it's funny, because I've talked to people like, for example, my brother rarely cries. And so it's interesting to see, even within a family how different people can be,

Amy Kuretsky 30:36

you know, almost like having a different

size cup, you could say, so maybe your cup is smaller. And so it raises its top threshold faster, and then release, whereas his cup is maybe much larger. And so maybe it does have to die sometimes to have a release, but it's longer to hit that level,

Jenna Redfield 30:54

just saying because I for me, I would say well, I least once a month. But sometimes more than that. And also depends on what I'm talking about, too. If I'm if I get just emotion, I get emotional watching videos. And then I start like tearing up like there's like I can be triggered very easily. Totally.

Amy Kuretsky 31:09

And I mean, I kind of have some of that stuff to you. And some of that as you know, as people who have periods and hormones that can sometimes be a factor as well. But I mean, for me at the gym, it was like, I was just I was like running like a 500 meters something after doing some like kettlebell swings or something, IZ. And I literally was just like, I can't do that. It was Yeah. Right. And it's like, oh, yeah. Cuz I think that mental giving up of, you know, I think that was that kind of what happened where you felt like, I just can't do it. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I think that's really important. Is there is there a stage before you hit burnout that you can kind of recognize because I don't know, if I really want to hit burnout, officially, that was official burnout. But then there's like, probably signs and symptoms that you're heading towards burnout, or some of those too. So just feeling like constantly stressed. You know, for some people, they hold their stress in different places. So maybe it's like raise up shoulders all the time, or really tight jaw like we end up with like jaw pain, or you know, stomach issues. Um, a lot of times it can affect people's sleep. So if you're, there's a lot more interrupted than normal, or you don't feel quite as like restful, when you wake up in the morning, that's a really good indication of any sort of like bowel movement changes, we talk about a lot, clinic. So if you're like poop is changing a lot and gets a lot like looser, a lot harder, or something like that can be an indication. Basically anything physically in your body that you're noticing as a little bit off, like, for me, a really good indication is headaches. So I was starting to get headaches again. And I hadn't been getting regular headaches since I was in grad school. And so for me, that was a good indication, like, you know, I'm hitting my edge right here, because I shouldn't be getting like two or three headaches a week. Yeah. And now, you know, it's been a month since we opened the space, and I haven't got out It

Jenna Redfield 32:58

feels great. So does have that physical effect on you too. And it may it may just be your like, like, I think maybe it was think last week where it was I was just busy, busy, busy. And I had no time and I was I got that kind of stress back in my life, which I don't like doing. And I've people always tell me that they say how do you do it all i say, i looks like I'm doing everything. But I also take a lot of time off,

Amy Kuretsky 33:24

ya know, which is so necessary, like, okay, so one of the things that acupuncture does, when you're asking me to explain acupuncture before, this is one thing that comes up for me a lot, our nervous system is kind of can be separated almost into two different tracks. Well, there's the CNS. But like, let's go on from there. There's what we often call our fight or flight response. That's like the adrenaline and epinephrine and cortisol, but then we also have what's called the rest and digest response. So the fight or flight, because our sympathetic nervous system and the rest and digest is our parasympathetic nervous system, you can think of it like a light switch, it can't be you can't have both of them on or off at the same time, it's going to be one or the other. So you're either in sympathetic, or you're in parasympathetic. So you're either in fight or flight, or you're in rest and digest, fight or flight. triage is, which basically means like, moves resources to the most important places in our body. So it triage is resources to the heart, and the lungs and the muscles, which basically in like ancient times, was like there's a predator, or like a danger out there. So all of our resources, all of our blood, and oxygen is going to go to our lungs and our heart and our muscles so that we can run and pump our hearts and breathe really heavily as we're running away from the danger. So basically, what it does is it takes all those resources, meaning oxygen, and blood away from the digestive system, the reproductive system, the urinary tract system, the immune system, all of those other really important systems in our body. So the thing is that, you know, back in the day, ancient times, we would have like, barely, we're running from, like, every so often, but it wasn't like every day, and then that would give us a lot of time in between to really like restore and recuperate and have those systems that are really important, like the reproductive and the immune system function perfectly well. Nowadays, instead of having those like really huge stressors all the time, we have these like chronic mild stressors. So whether it's like job stress, financial stress, relationship stress, we have this like low level stress constantly. Yes. So we're constantly in this sympathetic nervous system state without ever really allowing ourselves to like, turn that flip that switch down to the parasympathetic nervous system, state. And rest and digest. Couple things that allow you to like literally flip that switch are the simplest one is literally lying on the ground flat on your back for like five minutes. Even that just can like help flip the switch that can lower your blood pressure, just doing that, on things like yoga, things like meditation, and things like acupuncture, massages, and he you have those like sort of more relaxing, nobody's really help your body flip that switch from sympathetic to a parasympathetic, and allows things like your immune system to function again, or things like your digestive system. It's just like, you know why you have to pee and poop when you wake up in the morning? Because you've been resting all night. I'm here. You know, parasympathetic has been functioning. Yeah.

Jenna Redfield 36:22

Because I feel like I've always been stressed, like my whole life, I'm a person that can easily stress and I can easily be anxious. So how be I guess how can you like self? self care? self care? Yeah, self care? I mean, how? How are some other ways like eating or taking vitamins and all these things that help your body? Are there other ways that you can think of that? do that? Well, I mean, sitting down and just being quiet for 10 minutes.

Unknown Speaker 36:50

You just described meditation.

Amy Kuretsky 36:55

You know, and I'm like, I have a blog post about this somewhere about the idea that meditation isn't just like, sitting down for 10 minutes. And how like, Can I swear on this? You know, people who say that I'm, like, I call bullshit on the people that say they can't meditate. Because meditation isn't just like sitting in a lotus position with your head like this and saying, Oh, I'm like, you know, maybe playing piano for 20 minutes as a meditation for somebody, maybe painting as a meditation for somebody, maybe going for a walk with your dog, and listening to some beautiful music as a meditation for somebody. So I don't, I don't like to narrowly describe meditation in any one specific way. For people who do then feel comfortable eventually sitting down and doing that sort of thing. There's a lot of research out there showing great benefits. But you have to start somewhere. Yeah.

Jenna Redfield 37:49

Well, that's awesome. And I want to thank you so much for coming on today. Is there any last things you want to say before I tell you to tell us your handles and how we can find?

Amy Kuretsky 38:00

The only thing I'd want to say is that we're really excited at our new clinic to be hosting lots of workshops and different events. And so

our website is constellation. accu.com, constellation Accu acu.com. And there's an events page on on there. So check it out. Yeah, awesome. Well, how do we find you on social I'm at Amy correct ski. And then I also sometimes will be on Instagram through the clinic account as or just constellation Accu. Yeah, that's awesome. And I think

Jenna Redfield 38:27

it's cool that because now I'm sure a lot of acupuncturist use Instagram.

Amy Kuretsky 38:31

Oh, yeah, probably. I mean, I think in general, not a lot of acupuncturist, like really focused on design and having a good website and that thing that was always important to think that's really helped. Yeah,

Jenna Redfield 38:41

yeah, that makes sense. Because I feel like people think oh, this is real, like it's not just like a hokey

Amy Kuretsky 38:46

business or something. I'm not using like a pirate song.

Jenna Redfield 38:50

Did you see that SNL thing was that I shared that on Facebook if you haven't seen it, so Ryan Gosling is in this video or he's upset that the avatar movie poster is empty pirates, which if you're a graphic designer, you know that that's like that, in Comic Sans are the worst mocking us was so funny. Yeah, I still funny because every time I drive by it, yeah, like a, like a some sort of heel. Yeah, it's always pirates. There's one right by my jam crazy. I know, or, or some sort of, because he even says that in the in the video. I just every time I go. Like, how, how does that happen?

Amy Kuretsky 39:25

I don't know. I don't know. I mean, in my like, in another lifetime, I was an art history degree. And I feel like I'm really live. And so like, design is important to me.

Jenna Redfield 39:34

Yeah. And I think that those who focus on design honestly do better. And people don't even realize that they like the design, and that's why they're attracted to it. So that's what the nice thing about design is, it's kind of like an invisible superpower. Totally. And I i I'm first to say that I'm not the best at design, but I will be the first to say that I've gotten way better at it over the last like three years. And I feel like I definitely have more of an eye for it than I ever had.

Amy Kuretsky 39:58

Totally like, I'm not I can't design something good. I can tell you. Look. Yeah,

Jenna Redfield 40:03

I have a good night. Yeah, that's that's so true. All right. Well, awesome. Amy, thank you so much for coming. This will be airing in November. So hope you guys like episode and

Unknown Speaker 40:11

I'll see you guys next week.

Jenna Redfield 40:15

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