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Thank you for listening to the Twin Cities collective podcast conversations with creatives. Each week we will be interviewing creatives, small business owners, entrepreneurs and bloggers in the Twin Cities and learn more about them in their businesses. So sit back, relax and enjoy this episode of the podcast. Let's get started. Hi, everyone. Welcome to the very first episode of the Twin Cities collective podcast conversations with creatives. I am so excited to be introducing our very first guest for our very first ever podcast episode. Please welcome Kayla Hollatz. She is the copywriter and brand strategist at Kayla Hollatz. So welcome Kayla. Thank you so much for having me. Jenna. It's so fun to be here with you and to be chatting with just all of the awesome local people that we have here in the Twin Cities. Yeah, so we actually met almost two years ago. I think it was in 2015. I reached out to you actually on LinkedIn because I had been meeting with people and and your name kept coming up and I was like, I need to meet Kayla

Jenna Redfield of Twin Cities Collective 1:00

She's also an entrepreneur like me. And so we met for lunch, then we just kind of have become friends from there.

Kayla Hollatz 1:06

Absolutely. Yeah. It's so crazy to think that that's that's kind of how we met too. And it's funny too, because the two gals who had kind of referred you kind of over to me to kind of talk a little bit more about careers and all the all the fun things that come with entrepreneurship. I hadn't met either of them quite yet, either. So it was just fun to meet all of you guys at that point.

Jenna Redfield of Twin Cities Collective 1:26

Yeah. And now we're all friends. So I totally, yes. So when I first met you, the first thing that I learned about you is that you had a Twitter chat. And so that was kind of what you were known for at the time. And I think it's kind of grown since then. But can you talk a little bit about your Twitter chat and kind of how that started?

Kayla Hollatz 1:44

Sure. Yeah, I mean, that is something that has been so special and rewarding for me. And so I started the Twitter chat in January 2015. And it was really once I had just graduated. And so I felt like I had the time and the energy to really start building a community. And so I've been participating in Twitter chats for a while, but I wasn't seeing any at the time that were for creative bloggers and entrepreneurs and a lot of the people that of course, we connect with through the Twin Cities collective now. So at that time, I thought, well, you know, if this doesn't exist, why not create it myself. And so that's exactly what I did with hashtag create lounge, and back then we were meeting, you know, Wednesdays at 7pm Central. And we still do today, which is pretty incredible. And yeah, we've just entered our third year now, which is really insane to think about. But we've really transitioned from just a Twitter chat now to, you know, having a contributor blog in a podcast of our own and a book club. And of course, we have all sorts of other dreams for you know, what create launch can really turn into, but it's something that's so rewarding for me to really lead and it really poor is, you know, I think as much energy into me as it does for everybody else to with their creative projects.

Jenna Redfield of Twin Cities Collective 3:00

Yeah, and I definitely been a participant and I've definitely invited people to it in the past. So it's been a super fun way to meet a lot of the people I've met online. So can you talk a little bit about how you've transitioned a lot over the past couple of years. That's an understatement. So I totally get it. But so you've transferred from being full time to your own business, and then you transferred your business to a completely different business. So can you kind of talk about how you went from that full time job to running your own business to changing exactly the opposite of what you're doing before with your business?

Kayla Hollatz 3:32

Sure, I mean, it's such a great question. And such a good thing to talk about TV, because I really think that you know, that evolution in your brand, and even just your own development, I think is so important. And that definitely has been woven into every part of my life, like you were talking about. But so my background is really in PR and social media. And so I was working a PR agency job, right before you know, the I quit that job to kind of run my business. And at that time, I was building create lounge. And I remember asking people kind of what they were, you know, starting to know me for. I've been building my personal brand for a little while. But I was actually really surprised to hear that people not only knew me for PR and social media, they actually knew me for those things, but through the lens of community. And so everything really clicked when I heard that. And then I started to really intentionally help other creative bloggers, entrepreneurs, who were wanting to build communities of their own, because I had a lot of people reaching out to me telling me, hey, I want my own hashtag create lounge, you know, and so it was really amazing to be able to partner with a lot of creatives in order to do that. And so since that kind of came about, really naturally, I started to think, Hey, you know, I got this interest here, maybe there's a business behind this. And so I launched my business in December of 2015. And I didn't end up leaving for my job until about April of 2006 teen. But when I did that, you know, I was kind of going full fledge with my coaching clients. And I was helping them again with those communities and building those up around their brand, so that they could have a strong tribe, and attract those ideal clients and buyers that they wanted to connect with to for their business. And so I really enjoyed doing that. But what I ended up finding was that, you know, it took me months actually, to say it out loud, but I found that I kept doing all these other things that I enjoyed. But at the same time, you know, the thing that I always wanted to do was to write, I've always been a writer, whether it be blogging, poetry, you know, like, it's just, I do a whole lot of writing. And so it was interesting to find myself kind of going away from that in order to kind of do all these other things that I felt like, quote, unquote, I should be doing to, you know, grow this online business. And so once I started to realize that a lot of the coaching that I was doing was more strategy than it was necessarily like, you know, having a life coach or something similar to that. I started thinking, Okay, how can I shift my business to start to feel like, you know, I'm more fulfilled in it, because I feel like I'm helping my clients with something more. And, you know, really, it kind of came pretty naturally that I started to think, Okay, well, why not get back to my background of talking to people about brand strategy in the sense of social media and content marketing, but then also adding on, you know, content creation, as well as copywriting because, you know, writing words that connects and convert is really where my heart is. And so that's my favorite part of my brand. I mean, I started as a blogger first. So writing online has always been so important to me. And it really wasn't until recently that I figured out, hey, you know, they're, they're all these visual creatives that I talked to, on a very regular basis that I connect with super well. But these people don't really either want to raise, or they don't really know how to. And so it wasn't until then that I realized, Hey, you know, I actually have a valuable skill here. And so once I started to kind of let some of my coaching clients know that this is what I was going to be doing. It was just very interesting to see how just, I guess like how much they embraced it and and really validated that this was something that I should be doing. And so after working on some projects with them, in the behind the scenes to make sure it was something I wanted to do, you know, I really delve back into the heart of my business and everything that needed to happen. As far as you know, business systems, and all the things, Jenna that you and I have been talking a whole lot about, about having that strong foundation, and then kind of moving into some of the fun stuff like the website relaunch that I had pretty recently. And just really letting other people know that this is what I'm doing and have been sharing my story along the way. So then instead of it just being those transitions, and you know, people get to know the why behind it. So it doesn't seem so strange that there has been kind of this continual evolution, so to speak,

Jenna Redfield of Twin Cities Collective 8:01

for sure. And I know that with your new brand relaunch, you've used some local creatives to help you talk about how you kind of like found them and how you how the kind of collaboration work because for me, I know I need to start utilizing other people. It's it's hard to do it all yourself. So how did how did that kind of the collaboration happen?

Kayla Hollatz 8:23

Absolutely. I mean, that's so awesome. And I'm so glad we're talking about this, because I'm just like you Jenna, where I'm like a very DIY spirit kind of gal, where, and I've always kind of prided myself on doing everything on my own. But I do think you reach a point in your business where you know, you need to enlist people who are experts in what they do, just like you want other people to enlist you as an expert. So it seems pretty natural. So when I started to think about, you know, some of the things that I might want to outsource for my website, I knew that, you know, branding design was going to be one of them, for sure, I needed a new visual identity that was going to be as kind of, you know, clean and streamline and sufficient stated as all of my business systems in the background. And then I also needed to have some really fun and candid brand headshots that we're going to be able to, you know, showcase my personality, but also helped me look as professional as I am. And so it was really the first time that I invested in those sorts of pieces. And you know, it was a little bit scary to kind of go out on the limb and, and try to collaborate with other people and not really know like, hey, are they going to completely see my vision? Like, how is this going to turn out I don't know, since I don't have all of my hands on the project anymore. But it was really amazing to collaborate with Carly mill breath, who is an absolutely amazing Minneapolis film photographer here, who I actually met through the Twin Cities collective Facebook group, which is so fun, awesome. I love it. And then I connected, you know, really early on

2016 with Allison Hall of Allie Marie design and you know, we've not only become great collaborators, but also really great friends. And so I felt like with something like that I could really trust her with the visual brand identity and we're working together on her copywriting as well. And so it's just been really amazing to collaborate with these people especially locally because I love running an online business but there's something about being able to get together with somebody to envision something over you know, like a cup of hot chocolate and there's just something magical about it. Yeah, and Allie is actually the Twin Cities collective brand designer yeah so it's kind of cool that we you know, it's it's it's kind of a small community but the same time you you learn to meet new people especially I'm really glad that you met Carly I actually just saw currently today. So that was really cool. As for the Twin Cities, I know that you mentioned you consider in the past moving away but then you decided not you realize how much you love the Twin Cities. So can you talk a little bit about your love of the Twin Cities and kind of

you live here? Oh, my gosh, Jenna, this is like the question of the century. Because yes, like you said, You know, I was actually born in Arizona, and we moved up here to Minnesota when I was about seven years old. And so, you know, all the time I had been wanting to move back down south, because I love the warm weather. And I'm sure all the things that that we can understand why somebody would want to move back down south. But it really wasn't until about a year or two ago when I really started to just get very immersed in the Minneapolis creative community and just seeing all that the Twin Cities really does have to offer. And so I just fell completely head over heels in love specifically with Minneapolis. And just because there's so much art, there's so much creativity, there's actually quite a bit of entrepreneurs like ourselves, too. And I just think there's so much to Minneapolis, beyond just looking at, you know, the weather and some of those other things that make it such a great, amazing place to live. And so I remember Actually, I visited Atlanta, which was the place that I was thinking about moving to back when I was in college. And you know, when I went there, it was so funny, because you know, so much of my head had been wrapped up in oh my gosh, I think I might live in a place like this. And what am I going to think when I actually go there. And it was just like this amazing relief to go there. And from my first drive kind of going around the town, looking at Atlanta and being like, this is an amazing place. But my home is definitely Minneapolis. And it's the first time I've ever thought that the first time I've ever said it out loud. And I even started to defend Minneapolis to some of the people that were in Atlanta saying, No, come to Atlanta. So it's just been kind of that full circle moment. But like you like you were saying, you know, I think the biggest thing that keeps me in Minnesota is really the people

Jenna Redfield of Twin Cities Collective 12:53

for sure. Because I you know, I lived in LA for a little bit and it just it just wasn't home. And I do like the weather obviously, it's it's it is hard to be here for like six months of winter. But at the same time, like I did the same thing. I was like, oh man, like I would see I remember this funny story. I saw a land of lakes like butter, you know, and the grocery store. And I was like, Oh my gosh, Minnesota like there are things that just like reminded me of Minnesota when I was in California. So it was just like I really missed it more than I thought. And that was the thing I missed the most was actually living in Minnesota, I missed all the lakes. And I know that you really like to go to things around Minneapolis. I know we actually went to the storage festival last year with your group. So do you want to talk a little bit more, you've done some things in the past. And I know you're planning on doing some things with like your create lounge, local meetups, as well as you've done your podcast as well. And you've kind of deciding to go against that, but might come back to it. Can you kind of talk about how those transitions like you go through, like stages in in, in the in the branches that you've kind of created?

Kayla Hollatz 13:55

Absolutely. I mean, it's such a good question. And it's something I'm really wrestling dealing with right now. Because, you know, I'm trying to also think about what I need, as well as the community. And for so long. I didn't allow myself to think that way. Because I was like, well, I am a servant to the community. And I am this leader, and which is true, but at the same time, if I'm not feeling as fulfilled in doing all of that work, especially because it is there's no part of it, that is monetized right now. I mean, it truly is just this community movement of people. And you know, I need to make sure that I'm I'm kind of getting enough out of it. So then I can pour back into my people, because it's kind of the whole saying of like, you know, you can't pour into someone if you're an empty wall and that sort of thing. And so yeah, I mean, in my life right now, I just been seeing such a huge need for even more of that local community. And that's why I mean, just this year, being able to connect with so many people through the Twin Cities collective, and just everything that you're doing here, Jenna is just so important, not only to me, but for all the other people out there too. And I mean, I do have dreams for what I would love, you know, for create launch to kind of turn into not only online, but also you know, local chapters and and especially here in Minneapolis, what that would look like but I also realized that it's better to kind of be intentional about that right now and kind of figure out where I'm at where other people are at. So I can make sure that I'm making the best decision kind of moving forward. So I feel like I'm at a bit of a crossroads. But everybody's been really understanding so far about it. And it's just been really amazing to connect with other communities right now in the Twin Cities, because it also helps me figure out you know, what do I want mine to kind of look like to you?

Jenna Redfield of Twin Cities Collective 15:37

Yeah, and it's, it's hard for the the whole monetization thing is something that you know, for us it becomes a collective. I am hoping to do that because I am so putting so much work into it, I want to at least have it be worth something to me and continue it on because at some point you do get burned out and you're like what did I do this all for? So speaking of that, we are going to take a quick break and hear a word from our sponsors. And we'll be back in about two minutes. This week's episode is sponsored by Jenna. branding, photography and video editing studio. Generate Phil designs is located in Minneapolis but services all across the country and across the world. Jenna does stock photos, branding, photography and product photography, as well as video editing services. She is focused mostly on female entrepreneurs who have products that they sell, and that needs to be photographed as well as mock ups of desktops for graphic and web designers. She also works on Etsy banners and other banners that can be used on websites and the light. In addition, she also does outsourcing a video editing for other people. If you're launching a YouTube channel or just want some video content edited. That is something that she offers as well as intro and now true branding for videos. If you're interested, please go to www dot Jenna right for designs. com to learn more. And now back to the podcast. We are back with Kayla, thank you so much for our sponsors. But we are going to keep moving. So next I want to ask you wrote a book. And that is amazing. So talk about that.

Kayla Hollatz 17:11

Oh my gosh, it's still crazy to me. Um, you know, I published my book in November of 2015. So I've had it out for a little while now. But anytime I see somebody who has a picture with it, or even yet, you just saying it right there, Jenna, I'm like, wait, I do have a book out there. That's kind of crazy. Um, but it really is something that I started creating back when I was in college. And actually, before I started my professional blog, I actually had a poetry blog, that was technically my real first one. And so I had that back on Tumblr at the time, which is so funny to look back. But I was sharing a lot of my poetry on there and had really kind of built up just as very dedicated following and community there of writers. And so I had a lot of people reaching out to me at the time saying, Hey, have you ever thought about writing a collection and there was one specific comment that that really hit home for me, which was somebody said, you know, it's great to read your writing online on the screen, but like, I want to hold it in my hands. And after that, I said, Okay, I have got to do this. And so I really just dove right into the process and started to outline what everything would look like I took some poems that I had already written, and then kind of added in some of those transition poems kind of in the middle. But what was amazing was, I was actually able to collaborate with an illustrator who was in the UK, and we connected through Tumblr, and so just taught me a whole lot about global communication and collaboration. And I think it really helped me not even knowing at the time, but it helps me in in kind of my online business, because I've had a lot of clients that are, you know, in other parts of the world, and some that are local here too, but it just was so great with learning about collaborations and, and all those great things. So yeah, I have a book out there. And I mean, I have all these, of course, dreams of others books that I would like to create both poetry and, and memoir and all of these different things. So I'm kind of kind of waiting for that, right, that right idea at the right time, kind of to hit me and pull me to do that. But it's still so rewarding to have that out there. And thank you so much for giving me a platform to talk about it. Because I don't think that I remember enough about like how special it was to kind of create that that personal project of mine.

Jenna Redfield of Twin Cities Collective 19:24

Yeah. And I think that personal passion projects are so important. Like, for me, I feel like the Twin Cities collective is kind of a passion project. Because it's something I've wanted to do for a long time. I remember telling you actually, like, a while ago that I wanted to create, like an online directory of people. And then that kind of became that. So it kind of has come full circle. But yeah, so I know that you have a lot of passions, and one of them is Twitter, because you said that is your favorite platform, which I find it interesting because most people these days, it's either Facebook or Instagram or Pinterest, or one of those three, you know, and Twitter has kind of come down a little bit on people's radar. So why do you still love Twitter? And why is it still worth pursuing and making a following on there?

Kayla Hollatz 20:08

Yeah, it's such a great question. Because you do here Instagram is kind of like the the number one for most people. But I really have always just loved Twitter, because I feel like it's so easy to start conversations there. Because I think you don't necessarily have the stigma that sometimes you have in other platforms of, you know, can I jump into this conversation that's already forming and those sorts of things. I think Twitter, I almost think about it as kind of like the great equalizer, everybody has a voice because everybody only has 140 characters. So it's all about how you're using those characters to the best of your ability. And so I also really love it, of course, because of the whole kind of idea around Twitter chats, because you're able to really get together at a consistent time for an hour. And note that everybody that's in that chat is not only going to be like minded, but you're also going to be able to have those conversations in a very kind of quick way. And also be your thought thought leadership platform. And you know, through answering those questions and just encouraging each other and those sorts of things. But again, it's it's only an hour. And so kind of when you put all that that energy into that, then you're able to really build some strong relationships. Whereas if you were using, like, let's say Facebook or Instagram, you kind of might, you know, comment on a few photos back and forth. But it doesn't necessarily have the same exact effect. I think as a Twitter chat does. So for me, that's what I think is really special.

Jenna Redfield of Twin Cities Collective 21:31

For sure. And I've met a lot of people through Twitter that I haven't would have been wouldn't have been able to find on Instagram, because there might not be as as active on Instagram or on Facebook. And it's crazy how, you know, especially local people that I'm now like, met, and I know that I've met people through your chat, and I met people through other people's chats. And it's always been a really good learning experience for me. So kind of going forward in 2017. What is your like, plan going forward with your business? And personally like, what are your goals? I know, it's the beginning of the year. And I know that you're relaunching your whole business. So kind of what are you looking forward to? And what do you kind of planning on happening this year? What are you some some things that are coming up for you?

Kayla Hollatz 22:17

Yeah, such a good question, I'm going to want to know your answer to that, I think it's so important to just like, set your goals out loud, so that you can have other people that are keeping you accountable to them. But I guess for my for my business goals first, you know, of course, for a while, my biggest business goal was to relaunch my website. And of course, with that comes visibility with letting everybody know that you know, I have taken this journey and I have taken this transition into copywriting and, and content creation and brand strategy and all of the fun things. But along with that, of course is just continuing to to grow the community again, very intentionally, but also realizing why the balance is going to have to look like for that with owning my own business. And I have been trying to spend a lot more time kind of not only on my own personal development, but of course, like reconnecting with my local community and putting myself out there in those ways. Because I am somebody where it's very easy for me to kind of, you know, fall into this workaholic, kind of trap of working really long hours and kind of prided myself on that. But even though I want to run this really fantastic business, it has to be something that's going to be life giving for me. And I know that in order for it to do that I can't necessarily work on it every single hour of every day. So I feel like 2017 is going to be all about me just kind of learning how to create the most ideal business and lifestyle for myself, because 2016 was all about the year experimentation, doing all the things, figuring out what I actually wanted to do. And and now it's actually I guess, I'm kind of a season of refinement, I think of figuring out exactly what it days doing some of those fun things, even outside of my business that are going to give life back into it.

Jenna Redfield of Twin Cities Collective 24:07

So I think it's very important to have a year or so of experimentation, especially because we're both like within the first couple of years of our business. I mean, once you've been doing business for like 10 years, it's a totally different story. But I feel like when you're just starting out, I think it's important to discover what you really like and what works. And I think that adding on and trying new things is so important. And I feel like you finally figured out what you want to do. And you know how to achieve that. So how do you kind of I know you do a lot of social media marketing. And so I but like, in terms of networking, how if you're just a local person here, you just have a local business, you're not online, how do you kind of find the right clients? I know there's social media, there's also, you know, making sure you have a website that people can find, but how do you kind of network and teach people locally about what you do?

Kayla Hollatz 24:58

Yeah, oh, my gosh, that's such a great question. Because it really wasn't until I was building this website that I did realize actually how many clients I've had that are local, because I think of myself so much as an online business. But then I realized, Oh, wait, like I met this person locally through this, this specific networking event and those sorts of things. So I think one of the greatest ways, of course to do that is by actually getting out into the community. I mean, I think that you definitely can participate in different Facebook groups like yours, which I think are so amazing. But I think once you actually put your, your full kind of face out there, that's when everything really starts to change. And so I mean, I've been able to meet some really great people through your events, and also through some of the women at work events, and the rising tide society, they have Tuesday's together, I mean, there's no shortage really, of events and those sorts of things. But something for me, especially as a little bit more of an introverted creative, I know myself well enough to where I know that I connect with people a whole lot better when I'm one on one. And so I do like going to networking events, but usually kind of what my end goal is there is creating, you know, these stronger relationships with a few people. So then I can kind of get together with them afterwards and talk to them kind of over coffee, figure out kind of where they're at in their business, how I may help how I can connect them with anybody else who may be able to help them with where they're at. And to me that just feels very heart centered. And that's the way that I like to kind of, I guess, connected network that way. So I think it's also kind of knowing how you're wired and what works best for you too, because there's always a way to be able to connect with people.

Jenna Redfield of Twin Cities Collective 26:37

Yeah, and I feel like that's kind of important for me, for the Twin Cities collective, we not only have an online community that might be helpful for introverts, but we also have events. And then I also do share the other events happening in the Twin Cities, because those have been super helpful for me, again, I've gone to a lot of the same events probably that you have. And I'm even learning about more than I've just started. So I always like to meet new people. And it's a really fun experience to just go coffee, especially when you work at home, like we both work at home. So it's like, it's nice to get out and talk to people. And so I guess for the last question of this interview, that I kind of want to just talk a little bit more about what you do. So what what services do you offer? And why is branding and brand strategy, copywriting? Why is that important to someone? And how can you help the people that are listening to this podcast? With what they're doing with their business?

Kayla Hollatz 27:28

Absolutely, well, thank you so much. And so really kind of the heart behind what I do is that I absolutely love just pairing my words with, you know, other creative business owners, especially those in the visual industries, I really like to be able to pair them with the visuals and the designs that they're creating, because oftentimes, I see that, you know, the visual creatives, again, kind of have a little bit of a harder time with not only writing words that are going to connect with their target audience and their ideal clients and buyers, but also, you know, writing words that are actually going to convert to and not feeling so icky about that. I know, for a while, you know, kind of in the in the online marketing world, I felt a little weird about it, because here I am, I'm you know, building a community. But you know, I really learned a whole lot about conversion and just how to still be able to connect with people but but write words that are going to really entice people to actually take the action that you want to take. And that's really what I see is the perfect blend. And so I do that through a lot of different ways. I do that mostly through copywriting. So I help people with their actual website. So their homepage, about paid services, pages, product pages, all of those things, I really make sure that all of them, of course, are SEO optimized with keywords and all those great things to to make sure that they're not only converting, but they're also ranking Wow, which is awesome. And then I also help people through regular content creation. And it's been interesting to me, because that part of my business has just completely blown up. Even since just relaunching pretty recently. I think it's because a lot of people really know that they need to get content marketing out there. And they know how important it is to build their email list and to build their blog audience, but they don't necessarily always have the time to do it. And a lot of times we feel so guilty about it, but we don't have to. So I'm really the person that's kind of, you know, the kind of the friend and the confidant to be able to help them uncover exactly what their their story is. And then kind of finding a way to weave that into all of their content, especially those pieces that are kind of the actionable tips and the education pieces.

Jenna Redfield of Twin Cities Collective 29:36

Well thank you so much, Kayla, for sharing all this I think it's going to be really helpful and I hope that people connect with you can you give us some of your Instagram handles Twitter handles where we can find you all that stuff and not just you but also create lounge because that's kind of part of your brand as well.

Kayla Hollatz 29:51

Sure Absolutely. So you can find me at Kayla Hollis calm as well as of course create lounge calm. And then on Twitter which of course you could already tell that I basically live there I'm Kayla underscore Hollis there but on Instagram and Pinterest. I'm just Kayla Hollis without the underscore and on Instagram and Twitter we have create lounge HQ stands for headquarters because create lunch it's already taken which we all understand that

we all struggle.

Jenna Redfield of Twin Cities Collective 30:22

Well. I know you mentioned that somebody took your Twitter handle too bad.

Kayla Hollatz 30:28

This is the story of my life at this point. Like you got to get creative.

Jenna Redfield of Twin Cities Collective 30:32

Yeah, I know. It's It's like I'm lucky because I'm the only one that I know of that has generated film. So I'm like I'm good to go. But thank you so much again, Kayla, for joining me today. If you guys are interested in being on the podcast, if you want someone local that wants to be on the podcast, please go to Twin Cities collective calm. I will have a form up there soon. Thank you guys so much for listening to our first ever episode. I'm very excited to launch this and

February hopefully, this is hopefully you're hearing this in February. If not, it will be early March. But yeah, so thank you so much again, Kayla, and I hope you guys have an awesome day. Bye. Thank you so much for listening to the Twin Cities collective podcast conversations with creatives. If you liked this podcast, make sure to give us a review on iTunes and let us know how we're doing. If you're interested in becoming a sponsor, or a guest on the podcast, please go to Twin Cities collective calm to learn more. Thanks again to Allie Marie design for creating our cover art and for Nikolai hide less for the use of the song in the intro intro. Thanks again for listening to conversations with creatives. We'll see you guys next time.

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Jenna Redfield is the leader of the Twin Cities Collective, the largest resource in the Twin Cities for bloggers, small business, entrepreneurs & creatives.

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