The importance of budgeting & knowing where your money is with @kaileesoderland

The importance of budgeting & knowing where your money is with @kaileesoderlandadvising

From Pageant Queen to Financial Advisor & Domestic Violence Victim Advocate, Kailee Ogden is a one of a kind woman with an amazing heart for helping others succeed financially.  

After experiencing domestic violence herself, Kailee took her platform in the pageant world and used it for good by advocating & sharing about female victims during her pageant experience and now not only educates but gives saved money back to victims of domestic violence. She works with small businesses and entrepreneurs to understand their spending and creating financial goals. We talked about all kinds of things, including cash flow as well as creating a "budget" & working with money as a small business owner.


You can connect with Kailee at Kailee.Ogden@nm.com or on kaileeogden.nm.com


Jenna Redfield is the leader of the Twin Cities Collective, the largest resource in the Twin Cities for bloggers, small business, entrepreneurs & creatives.

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Hi, everyone. Welcome to the Twin Cities Collective podcast conversations with creatives. I'm very excited to have one of my non creative friends Kaylee Ogden here today. She is a financial planner. And she actually works with all types of clients. And I know she's had a few creative clients recently. So you want to introduce yourself?

Kailee Ogden Soderlund 4:22

Yeah, so my name is Kaylee Ogden, and I work as a financial advisor. So I've been doing that for a few years now. And love working, especially with entrepreneurs on coming up with a plan for them from just a cash flow management perspective, determining how to best pay themselves, you know, developing insurance and retirement plans. So

Jenna Redfield 4:41

awesome. That's really cool, because I am really bad at that. So, and this month is all about, you know, finance, accounting. How did you get into this when you were in college? or How did you decide you want to do this,

Kailee Ogden Soderlund 4:54

I went to school for physical therapy initially. And then my advisor made me take is economics class, and I loved it, which I realized was not normal. It's decided to major in that. And then I started in computer coding and data analytics, actually. And then really missed talking with people. So financial advising is a great way to combine the nerdy stuff, and I can nerd out on my own. And then also work with people and explain things that are normally complex and not so fun to talk about.

Jenna Redfield 5:25

So awesome. So tell us a little bit about your story. So I know you're actually from Super up north.

Kailee Ogden Soderlund 5:31

Yes, like right on the border of Canada. Yeah. Don't hit golf balls. And yeah,

Jenna Redfield 5:34

that's awesome. And so then I know you went to school in Duluth, why did you decide to go there? scholarships

Kailee Ogden Soderlund 5:42

really made a financial decision

Unknown Speaker 5:44

to go there. But yeah, because you went to school? Yes, yes.

Jenna Redfield 5:48

Okay. Awesome. And then you decided to move down the cities? Yeah. So it was a slow.

Kailee Ogden Soderlund 5:55

But I had competed in the Miss America organization. And so a lot of my prep work was actually down in Sydney. So I came down to train my final semester in college. And then I've been living here ever since.

Jenna Redfield 6:07

Awesome. So do you want to talk a little bit more about that? Because I find it so interesting. So how did you get into pageants? And how did that kind of affect your life?

Kailee Ogden Soderlund 6:15

Absolutely, that really long story, try to make it short on the podcast. But long story short, my cousin had competed in the Miss America organization in the Miss Virginia pageant. And so she'd been trying to get me to do it. And I kind of didn't want to be associated with pageantry, I think there's an pretty big negative stigma out there. And so the only reason I competed was because I was actually a victim of domestic violence and sexual assault when I was in college. And it was a totally desperate attempt to regain any sense of some confidence. I don't recommend the way that you go about rebuilding that, but for some reason, that's what I decided to do. And so I was fortunate enough to win my first local and thank God, it was in northern Minnesota, because it was shown here, for one. And each young woman that competes in the organization has a platform that they promote during their year of service. So then that kind of became my opportunity in my platform to turn my adversity into hope for other people. And so that's how I started talking and speaking out on sexual assault and violence against women.

Jenna Redfield 7:22

Yeah, that's really, really important. And I think that a lot of people miss that part about the pageant is that a lot of the times there is a reason behind it. How has pageant changed over the years? Because I feel like that's kind of something that either has been around but people don't know about, you know?

Kailee Ogden Soderlund 7:36

Absolutely, I think the emphasis is still on beauty. Unfortunately, when you only watch it on TV, it is really hyper sexualized, I think, which is a bummer. But I think for a lot of young women, it's about gaining those public speaking skills. And, you know, teaching them how to go out into the community and interact with other community members to make a difference to use that position of power to make a difference in the world. And so I would say that in general pageantry has shifted much more towards community impact. And even personal branding now is huge. And so for a lot of women pageants has become this area where they can combine what they're doing from, you know, work perspective with what their philanthropic goals are, and just the things that make them unique as a person. And so that was kind of my first introduction to branding. And I'm by no means well, but I think that that's what the organization really helps young women discover, and then enables them to make an impact in the world in a way they couldn't.

Jenna Redfield 8:38

Yeah, for sure. It's definitely a big platform for that. Yeah. So how have you continued your quest for, you know, helping people after you win the pageant, because I know you still do it to this day.

Kailee Ogden Soderlund 8:52

I think that that platform just became a really good outline for my life's work and wasn't just something I was doing for the sake of competing and pageant, which I found to be true, among a lot of the other contestants that are now some of my greatest friends. But I had a really vivid dream one night of doing pro bono financial planning for women that had experienced domestic violence. And I started doing my research. And it's funny, when something like that happens to you, your story kind of becomes the story. And so you don't always realize, you know, what other people that have gone through domestic violence or you know, survived a rape what they deal with, unless it was kind of part of yours, because we also don't talk about it. And so I found out that the number one reason women either can't leave an abusive relationship, or they have to go back is because they don't have the financial resources. So as of right now, I primarily partner with the dwelling place, which is a one year transitional program for women that have left an abusive situation, they can move into their own apartment with their kiddos. And they go through kind of a long period of rehabilitation. And so I do all the one on one planning with them. I've trained their case managers, I train other advisors to also work with victims. We do classes on financial literacy, basic Urbino budgeting, how do we pay our bills, a lot of these women don't even have a chicken and savings account open anymore, or an email that's no longer safe to us. And so some of what we feel is so basic to us really isn't. And so 10% of whatever my business brings in funds, a capital account for them as they're getting back on their feet. And there are certain things that can force these women's ability to move forward that there's just no source of funding for. So one woman, you know, she had to leave her car behind, she was fleeing her abuser. And he parked her car in different spots and accrued parking tickets in her name that that accrued interest. And of course, then she can't get a driver's license, and then she can't get a job that sounded the bus line. So things like that, that we don't even tend to have our things that we just wipe out fully with the funds in this account.

Jenna Redfield 11:09

That's awesome. Because I think that's one of the coolest things I've ever heard from someone is you give back thanks to the people that, you know, you're also helping. So you're like helping me helping them in two different ways. That's so cool. I just, I just think that's awesome. So now, shifting a little bit since this is our topic this month is on accounting and finance. I know you're not specifically allowed to talk about certain things just based on because you are certified, and you have all these credentials that you're not allowed to say certain things. So again, we will edit out anything if she says something she's not supposed to be but what kind of, do you start with? When you talk to people, their first time they come in? What do you talk about when it comes to personal finance or business? Finance? What do you kind of start with?

Kailee Ogden Soderlund 11:52

Well, first of all, I think when people think of a financial advisor, they think of a middle aged white male, which is really into dating. Yeah, like, oftentimes there's, you know, shame or guilt around things that we've either done with our money or that we haven't done with our money. And so it becomes this conversation that we just generally try to avoid unless we have to talk about it. So with the women, I predominately work with women, but also work with men. But with my clients, I just have an initial conversation over coffee or over happy hour just to get to know them and understand what is it that you want to accomplish. And it's so much more about coming alongside those clients and coaching them. I equated a lot to personal training, where it's like you tell your trainer, what your goals are right and where you want to go. And then they provide that accountability and coaching along the way. And we don't figure out everything day one, yes. Just like you don't drop out that way. In day one, what do you want to Unfortunately, that's not how it works. But every time that we meet, we continue to move the needle forward. And especially with business owners, and creatives in particular, you know, cash flow is a huge issue. So even though I would like to say we need to address retirement, and insurance planning, and all these different things all at once, oftentimes, it's just figuring out, like, Can I pay my bills next month, which a lot of people think if I'm in that position, I can't engage with a financial advisor, which just isn't true.

Jenna Redfield 13:17

Yeah. Because I think that that's, in my opinion, how I think to you know, because it's like, you want to save money. And so why would you pay someone to help you? Because you can't afford it? You know, so how does that shift happen? How do you kind of tell people how the importance of having a financial advisor?

Kailee Ogden Soderlund 13:35

Absolutely, well, first of all, I don't charge front planning, which gets me in some unique spaces. So I work with everyone from you know, the up and coming professional, emerging entrepreneur all the way to people that are in retirement. The advantage of that as I can make my older clients hindsight, my younger clients foresight, and I also feel like I'm compensated well on that side of the business that then I'm able to work with people that don't necessarily have funds to invest just yet. But I think it's all about habit building and creation. And I just I truly believe that we don't get that information in school. I majored in finance and nobody told

Unknown Speaker 14:12

me what to do with my personal finances.

Kailee Ogden Soderlund 14:14

And I just think when you talk about mission and vision and purpose intertwined with what you're doing professionally, I just believe that everyone deserves that level of advice, for sure.

Jenna Redfield 14:24

Because I think the one thing a lot of people struggle with the word budget, and is that something that you also work with a little bit?

Kailee Ogden Soderlund 14:31

Yes, I call it a conscious spending plan.

Jenna Redfield 14:36

Yeah, okay. That's so what's the difference? In your opinion, is it just the word budget doesn't like it scares people, or it just even got excited, like when you said the word budget, and

Kailee Ogden Soderlund 14:46

I live off of Oh, my gosh. So I think that conscious spending plans are all about just being aware of where your money is going. Because typically, what happens is we get paid or we have revenue coming in from our business, we repair bills, we spend money, and then we save if there's anything leftover, versus if we take a goal based approach, thinking about, you know, longer term, midterm short term, where do we want to go with our business? And where do we need to be personally, when we can make savings more like a bill and ourselves? First, we can spend whatever is leftover, guilt free knowing that we have a plan in place. Yeah. Otherwise, I find even myself, you know, going to grab a coffee or buying a cute new top and feeling like oh, should I have bought that it's kind of this perpetual state of not really knowing where our money is at, for sure. And I find that we all have emotional attitudes and beliefs around money that play into the way we view it and think about it and work with it as adults, right. And so I come from a home where, you know, my dad left when I was in middle school. And so my mom, and one eight had called me downstairs, and she was crying. And I'm such a chain crier, like if anyone else has, especially when it's your mom, like, immediately start crying, and you never know what it's about. But she had asked me if I could help pay for some of the bills. And so as an adult, I think that translated into now I hoard cash, because I'm so afraid of not having any. And so I actually have to work with a senior business partner that advises me not because I don't know what to do. But just because I need somebody to say, let's take the emotion out of it or take a step back. Because ultimately, I don't want to be in that position. And that requires me to take action today, even when it doesn't feel good.

Jenna Redfield 16:36

Yeah. Because I think that I've listened to a few podcasts about money, because it's something again, I struggle with a little bit. And it's it's interesting how much your history affects the way that you think about money, is that something that you run into a lot is the way that you were raised affects how you think of money.

Kailee Ogden Soderlund 16:53

Absolutely. And I just met with a couple and combining finances with combos was really interesting as I Wow. And but they both came from, you know, backgrounds where they didn't have a lot of money. And for, you know, the woman, she just was hoarding cash, right, or just a habitual saver, and then the husband was like, I am going to enjoy spending this money because I never had it when I was young.

Unknown Speaker 17:17

Yeah.

Kailee Ogden Soderlund 17:18

So oftentimes, it's about how do we uncover these emotional attitudes and beliefs and have that conversation in a very accepting, welcoming environment, hence, the coffee or the wine, right? And talk about how that plays into how you view it, like I said, as an adult, so that we can make sure that you still reach your goals?

Jenna Redfield 17:37

Yeah, because I think my parents are the same exact way, where it's like, my mom's a saver my dad grew up, they both grew up with very little money. And then when they were adults, and they had money, they still spent it differently. Yeah, my dad would spend it more than my mom, in my opinion. So it's just interesting how and then for me, I was just kind of all over the place, because I was learning two different things from each from each parent about money and like, how I should spend it, should I save it? Should I spend it and I feel like I grew up in the middle of that. And I'm like, I don't know which which direction. So I feel like I'm always in that way where I'm like, like, I like to splurge. But the same time I feel guilty afterwards, you know? Yeah. So how do like how do you kind of walk people through that?

Kailee Ogden Soderlund 18:15

Well, I think it's what I what I talked about initially about how do we take a step back, and that's the opportunity, you know, we are totally in the daily grind all the time, and also a business owner. So it's like, I'm inundated all the time with messages from clients, friend requests, people tell me I need to drink enough water and your work, I had one more thing to my blade. So I often tell people, you know, meeting with a financial advisor is your opportunity to have me help you get your ducks in a row. It's not about having them yeah, in a row before you come and see me interesting.

Jenna Redfield 18:51

Because I think a lot of people are scared to even admit what their financial status is something that happens where people are like, I don't have them money. And yet they should because I own a business, especially like for me, because I own a business. I'm not financially where I want to be. And so that's why I'm like, I don't know if I should ever go in and do it. You know,

Kailee Ogden Soderlund 19:10

yeah, there's just so much shame. And I think it's just the fear of the unknown. Like, I'm letting this person see one of the most intimate parts of me, like finances are even more taboo to talk about, and then sex, which is what I read, like, that's so true. And so I think there's just that fear of, I have to be vulnerable with this person. And I'm not sure if they're going to make me feel shameful or guilty. And, and I like you already feel that way anyway, about your finances. So I just try to create a really accepting environment and say, you know, of course, we need to delve into the past, and I need to do an audit of what's going on. But as far as any decisions that you've made prior to meeting me, we're going to partner together to move forward.

Jenna Redfield 19:56

Yeah, so what what's the editing process? Like for you, then do you go through through other bank accounts? And then you kind of give them suggestions on where to cut and spend? Or how's that work?

Kailee Ogden Soderlund 20:05

Yeah. So during that initial conversation, like I said, we talked about goals, but then it's my opportunity to say, you know, what are you bringing in? What are the different balances of your accounts? What are your expenses related to both business and personal? Because I'll also have advisor say, Well, I only work on the business side, or only work on the personal, which for solo entrepreneurs, and really business owners in general, it is so interesting, yet. And so then I take that information back and do an analysis of where are we at? If we do nothing differently than what we've been doing? Where does that put us in relation to our goals? And if we're not on track, what are my specific recommendations that I would make to you to make sure that we get there? Yeah,

Jenna Redfield 20:48

that's so important. Because even if you have separate bank accounts for everything, which I do, like, it's like, it's all going to eventually go into the same, you know, paying bills and stuff. Yeah. How do you like do you work? Do you tell people to work with specific banks? Or do you kind of just go with what you recommend? Or what they already have? Or how, how does that work with banking,

Kailee Ogden Soderlund 21:10

it really depends on the client and who they're already working with. I asked a lot of questions about the services that they're receiving and the type of experience that they've had, because it just helps me gauge. Like I have a professional referral team that I've surrounded myself with that I have an accountant that I trust a banker that I trust, a business attorney that I trust. And so if they're not having a good experience, part of engaging with me is also engaging with that teams. And so I think, as a business owner, one of the best things that you can do is either engage with someone that can connect you to those people, or developing your own power team, because there's a lot of sort of business consulting, that overlaps between financial advisors, attorneys and accountants, there's not really a lot of aggregation. Right? So it's how do you kind of create your own board of directors? I got a lot of people say that, too. So it's kind of like you need one for your business?

Jenna Redfield 22:10

Yeah, because I mean, I've found random people I have, like my lawyer, I have a few other friends that are just kind of become my like, almost like my business consultants from just giving me feedback. And it's just taken me a long time to like, find those people. So how did you find those people that you originally worked with that, you know, recommend?

Kailee Ogden Soderlund 22:27

I just think I networked by

Unknown Speaker 22:30

me on his right.

Kailee Ogden Soderlund 22:31

And the nice thing about that is, when you're in that entrepreneurial space, they might become a client for you too. So kind of just always having that, you know, antenna, to say, is this somebody that I, you know, like respect trust that I think would do a great job. But it's really just engaging with those people. And also thinking about the clients that you're in front of saying, hey, do you mind if I ask you who you go through for x service? And if they're really happy with them, they'll sing their praises. And so that's a great way to find them without the one on one coffees,

Jenna Redfield 23:05

for sure. Because I think that networking is so important. And that's one of the reasons why I like to the Twin Cities Collective is because it's like a big networking group all the time. So I know you've gone to a few networking events, what are some of the ones you'd like to go to

Kailee Ogden Soderlund 23:18

Team women is one of my favorites. But that's because I think that they range from, again, the entrepreneur all the way to corporate executives. And so in terms of the people that I mesh, well, with professionally, that kind of runs the gamut. I've done Tuesday's together. And I have also tried the encouraged her network, the Refine gathering, those are more women's specific groups, but team women was kind of my favorite because they have great networking events during the day and over kind of that breakfast. Yeah, time period, which I think I was talking to somebody at the last Tuesday's together. And she was just like, I will not go to another network later. But that's after work. Because you feel like networking is kind of like a second full time job, right? Like, you've got your job and you feel like you have to network and then you've got your side hustle.

Jenna Redfield 24:15

What do you have time? Yeah, that has become an issue for me, because like, for me, I don't really like to go to them during the day, because I feel like it cuts off my day. Sure. So like I like, I kind of do like to go to them in the evening. Because I'm like, I'm done with work. And I feel like now is my time that I can work on networking. Because otherwise I feel like if it's like at 10am I'm like, Okay, do I start my day before that? Or is, you know, I guess the first thing I do so how do you kind of and I know you work for yourself, which we haven't really talked about, maybe you can kind of explain how that works. But how do you kind of set your day up? Like, what's your daily routine for yourself?

Kailee Ogden Soderlund 24:49

I try to have an ideal calendar. And so for me, that's getting up early, that's, you know, spending time reading doing my thing, just to kind of regroup and refocus on otherwise I feel like my day I'm just running around. Yeah. Or I feel like that at the end of the day, but not at the beginning as opposed to what I don't do in the morning, for sure. And then when I get into the office, sometimes I might have sort of a breakfast networking event or coffee. Generally, I'm phoning clients answering emails, the rest of the day, I'm out seeing people, and then I'm actually a major introvert, you wouldn't necessarily know that, um, that I limit myself to to after work either happy hours or networking events. So like or

Jenna Redfield 25:34

Yeah, okay, nice. That's, that's good, too. I feel like having a limit is because I'm the person who goes to all of us. And people know that about me.

They see me like, this one, too. And I'm like, yep, that's me. But like, yeah, limiting yourself. And then also, I

was talking to someone the other day about how they're like, they write down who they talk to. And like it was new people, because it's like, sometimes you go to the same events, and you see the same people. So you're not meeting new people to the point that networking is to meet new people. Yeah, it's great to see your old friends. But it's like, if you're not meeting anyone new, it's just a hang out with friends. So I feel like you have to make sure you go to, like I hate say about to this together. But that has kind of become that for me where it's just like, I love it. Because I get to see people I know. But I feel like I'm not meeting as many new people as if I'd gone to a new event where I didn't know anyone. Yeah. So I don't

Kailee Ogden Soderlund 26:20

know, we run into that, too. It's like you have to balance those coffees and networking meetups with friends versus when you are seeing people. And so I kind of try to quantify it by saying in a given month. How many of each Should I try to go to? Yeah. And I kind of know where that sweet spot is that I burn out?

Jenna Redfield 26:40

Yeah. Try not to hear that. And it also depends on also like the topic if there's like a speaker, do you like going to events where it's more networking or more, it's more like education?

Kailee Ogden Soderlund 26:51

I think when there is the combination of boom, that's really nice. Yeah.

Jenna Redfield 26:55

Yeah, because we're going to be doing some events moving from Twin Cities Collective that are going to be more like that, where it's like a little bit more teaching and small is that working? Because right now I feel like a lot of it is either one of the other awesome. So I'm really excited. And that will be coming out soon. All that information. So now I want to talk a little bit about how how your situation set up. I know we can't really talk too much about it. But you so you own your own business. But yet you still work for another company. Yes.

Kailee Ogden Soderlund 27:20

So there is a firm that I broker through meaning I have the ability to do insurance and investment through them. But because I'm an independent broker dealer, I can essentially work with all the major insurance and investment names out there. So I'm not limited to just using my firm's products. And but the reason I chose that firm was I didn't have the ability to work with those unless they worked there. Gotcha. We're all independent business owners in terms of what the

Jenna Redfield 27:52

actual setup is. Yeah. So how besides networking, how do you get your clients or find out find your clients?

Kailee Ogden Soderlund 27:58

100% on hundred percent MMO is referrals. Okay. And I think that comes down to creating a good experience. But oftentimes, I have to proactively reach out to people that, you know, I might be having a meeting with someone they're like so and so I think I totally benefit from it. Because it's one of those things again, there's that innate fear. And then it's number 65. long list of to do list. And so it's one of those things that by and large people value having that plan in place, but it gets lost in the shuffle.

Jenna Redfield 28:31

Yes, because I think it's interesting, because you're not a creative that you still have. But yet I've kind of Welcome to the creative world. And I love that, because it's like, we actually met at a church. And so that's kind of how we got to be friends and how we met. It was earlier this year, I believe, was it?

Kailee Ogden Soderlund 28:51

Yes, it's like January, and I didn't want to go and I need to get into this.

Jenna Redfield 28:57

Week her pulled out. But yeah, so like we we kind of connected that way. And so it's cool that you now are kind of part of the creative world just be just by networking. So what, what kind of lessons have you learned just by being a business owner over the last couple years, or any advice you give to someone?

Kailee Ogden Soderlund 29:18

Oh, my gosh, there's so much I think I have learned more about myself than I ever would have. If I would have stayed at a salary position. I would say that one of the biggest things that I see with business owners is oftentimes people are starting these businesses as a side hustle, which is awesome. And I think in general, we sort of put these stories on a pedestal of entrepreneurs that quit everything invested everything that hadn't made it, and not to discount those stories. But you know, over 90% of successful entrepreneurs started it as something on the side. And so for those people, I would say bootstrap it, as long as you can think about, you know, water, my bare bones expenses on the personal side, on the business side. And when you have six months to a year have that savings built up, that's kind of when you can think more about launching out on our own, that they make sure you think strategically about the insurance benefits and retirement vehicles and all those things that you're leaving behind. And that's certainly where I can help to is how do we create a transition plan that makes sure your bases are still covered?

Jenna Redfield 30:32

Yeah, because I took the Dave Ramsey course earlier this year, which is all about how to save money, how to like what you need to invest in for insurance, it was super helpful. And one thing that they said was like, have a $1,000 savings. I don't know if that's something that you teach to. Yeah, just having savings is really important.

Kailee Ogden Soderlund 30:51

The emergency fund is so important. And I think the conversation I have with a lot of clients all the time is how do I do balance putting money away and savings versus paying down debt or student loans. And to keep you out of debt, you do need to have an emergency fund. In an ideal world three to six months worth of business and personal expenses is where you want that account to be. But $1,000 is kind of a base level that'll get you past you know, car repair medical bill different things like that, if you don't have any money in savings, that would kind of be the first goal. Yeah,

Jenna Redfield 31:29

for sure. Because that's the that I think that is their first step and that and the debt, getting rid of debt snowball stuff, but um, so thank you so much, Kelly, for coming and joining me for this podcast episode. How do we find you I know that we can find you on maybe Instagram and I don't know.

Unknown Speaker 31:50

So if somebody wants to proactively email me and say that they'll fix my Instagram I hire

Jenna Redfield 31:56

I'm sure there are people listening. So I'd love to

Kailee Ogden Soderlund 31:59

be creative love to be involved in the process, but I'm really not. I got it. I hope you

know, just like this close is I get Oh yeah, that's quiet color.

Jenna Redfield 32:10

Water Cool. Well, I feel like having creativity is important. Even if you were in like a finance like my roommate, for example. She's an accountant and she likes to paint so like where are things where you'd like or music or something because I actually met someone who is also an accountant, I saw mean all these accountants and she and her thing is music. And so it's just kind of interesting how you can have those two sides of yourself where it's a little bit more analytical and there's a more creative side and I'm like mostly creative because I don't really like well I'm mostly analytical So yeah, I mean, I do like Google Analytics so that's about as far as analytics go but awesome well we will leave your information all your links to email you and where do you work out of what city

Kailee Ogden Soderlund 32:52

I office Out of Eden Prairie, but I also have offices in Woodbury and Minneapolis that I find myself going between and I will office at a coffee shops and all kinds of places

Jenna Redfield 33:04

that's cool because I I feel the same way I often submit Taka but then I can meet people for coffee I guess and bring my laptop like

Kailee Ogden Soderlund 33:12

there's gotta be some alternative the coffee

Jenna Redfield 33:15

and true I don't drink coffee.

Kailee Ogden Soderlund 33:16

I drink Chai lattes whenever I go to coffee shops I know but even then if you like when you're in a day full of meetings,

Jenna Redfield 33:22

one more cup of coffee or a child like in the summer you could have like lemonade or smoothie or something but they should have more like lemonade shops but I guess there's there's one in California because I feel like it's always sunny all the time. So I'm sure they had like all these like alternative shops. And there's like a few there's a new smoothie place that just opened St. Louis Park. I'm not sure if it's like a drive thru. But I want to go there now offering smoothies. Yeah, I mean, you never know. I mean, I'm not I'm very picky about drinks. I don't drink alcohol drink don't drink coffee and adult drink pop. Okay, so I'm like out on like everything. And people don't people don't are more offended. I don't drink coffee that I don't drink alcohol. They're like, offended by the fact that I don't drink coffee. And they try to get around a lot of entrepreneurs. Yeah, that's true. No, seriously, but like they told me they like try to peer pressure me into drinking coffee. You think of the alcoholic and like the movies, but no, it's all thing. College is Yeah. But I'm just like, I just don't want to start it because I know I get addicted to it. And so I'm just like, I'm just gonna drink my chai latte, which are really yummy. And don't have as much caffeine. And I'll just, I don't know. So I'm just saying I still drink so we can go to a coffee shop and drink something. I just don't like coffee. Well, that's an interesting place to end. But yeah, so thank you so much again for coming. And this will be going up on Monday. So thanks, guys for listening. And I'll talk to you guys next week. Bye. Thank you guys so much for listening to the conversations with creatives podcast from the Twin Cities Collective. Make sure to head over to iTunes to subscribe to this podcast so you won't miss an episode. New episodes come out every single Monday. And also make sure to give us a review so that we can get more people listening and so that we can give you even more episodes of the podcast. Make sure to also check out our website Twin Cities Collective com where you can learn more about us join our Facebook group join our online business and blogger directories as well as learn more about events that are coming up that we host every single month. Thank you so much again to Alison hall for creating our awesome podcast cover photo as well as Nicola. Hi les for the use of the song in the intro and altro. Thanks again, guys for listening and I'll see you next week. Bye.