How To Use Your Voice & Elocution To Confidently Communicate Your Message from a Professional Speaking Coach

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On today’s episode, Jenna interviews Vocal & Speech coach Cheryl Moore Brinkley on how to properly speak to be able to communicate your message with confidence, whether you are on TV, a webinar, instagram stories or in front of a crowd of thousands.

Cheryl’s Info

Lifelong theatre professional, Cheryl founded BVocal in 1999 to help clients develop their Personal Performance Assets, physical skills we all need to communicate effectively at work and in life. She is an expert in adapting theatre performance techniques to help speakers improve quality of voice, clarity of speech, and confidence of delivery. An experienced educator, Cheryl serves as adjunct faculty in the theatre department at Macalester College, where since 2001, she has taught courses in Voice & Speech and Acting, and provided Vocal Coaching for theatrical productions. She developed and taught classes for the Guthrie, Twin Cities Vocal Arts, Minnesota Conservatory, Acting for Lawyers, Brave New Institute, and Theatre in the Round.

Cheryl is an accomplished professional actor in theatre, TV commercials, and corporate videos, as well as a theatrical director. Earlier in her career, she worked in video production, press & public relations, and casting for stage, film & TV. Degree: BFA Drama/Speech, Ithaca College Certifications: TESOL/ESL/EFL, LMRVT Member: VASTA, AEA, SAG-AFTRA, ATD. “My lifework mission is to provide service to others by using my gifts to facilitate communication, teamwork, learning, and a deeper understanding of our shared human experience.” – CMB

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Full Transcript

I'm your host Jenna Redfield, and today we have a special guest Cheryl Moore Brinkley, she is an elocution and presence coach, and I would love to welcome her to the podcast.

Cheryl Moore Brinkley 0:53

Hi, Jenna. Thanks for having me here. Glad to be here and getting to talk about be vocal, which is the name of my company.

Jenna Redfield 1:00

Yeah. So can you tell us a little bit about it, what you offer and how you got started in this?

Cheryl Moore Brinkley 1:05

Sure. Perhaps I'll start with how I got started. I am a lifelong theatre professional. I was a theater professional in terms of an actor for over 20 years. I'm an equity actor. I am trained as an actor, that's my degree. And I currently teach in the theater department of McAllister college. I'm the voice and speech specialist sometimes teach acting. So in that journey, as you might know, the creative life requires some freelancing sometimes. Yeah. And I always wanted to stay true to the things I love. And turns out, I love to help people. And somewhere back in the late 1970s, yes, I'm dating myself. In New York City, some director friends of mine would say, you know, I have this actor who needs help with me. And can you help me? And that question, can you help me with this? And my thinking about it, going? Why? Yes, I can. is how I got a business? Oh, wow. I didn't sit down somewhere and say I want to be in business. What do people need I just completely respond to these are my abilities or my skills, I keep learning, and I can help you. And it turns out that unless you got a theater degree, and raise your hands, everyone listening, yeah, not many. Raise your hands, you probably didn't get actual training on the physical aspects of you, as an instrument, as a communicator, that's physical, not written language, but physical. So that's what we do in theory, how the body moves, how it expresses itself and the voice. My specialty niche is part of the body. It's a physical process. So when I started responding to can you help me with this? business grew that began to focus on non theatre people, I started help. I started helping theater people. But then the bigger need was none theatre people who didn't get that training. And it's grown. I've been be vocal since 1999. here in the Twin Cities. What else?

Jenna Redfield 3:29

Yes. So So I looked at your website, and I was very impressed by your website. You were very descriptive about what you offer. And so you offer three different things. You offer elocution, you say, elocution. Yes, elevation, coaching, presence coaching and performance direction. So I kind of wanted to go through each of those. What are they? And what what encompasses that?

Cheryl Moore Brinkley 3:50

Good question, Jenna.

I think of them as all under the umbrella of presence, and elements of what I call one's personal performance assets, back to the physical things I just previously referenced. So presence is our overall impression in our energy, our non verbals. And this is, I think, by some studies as much as 65, between 55 and 65%. of our communication and passion, non verbals. And about 38% is vocal. Right now, that's not what one says. But how tone of voice, manner of delivery, pronunciation, diction, accent, all those kinds of things, emotion. And then 7% is content. What is written or the words I'm choosing to speak right now is 7%. Now that shifts as we go along in this podcast, you get used to my voice, you've already made some decisions. Like I can stand this person, Oh, my gosh, how pretentious or what a good voice or a whole How annoying. And you decide whether you want to keep listening. And those elements are the things that I particularly focus on. But they're all part of not what you say, but how you say it. And that that's presence, elocution, voice and speech. My clients bring me their words, they're the experts. They're the speakers. They are the teachers, the sales people, the leaders, and I work with them on how to speak them better. And about a third of my business is working with pronunciation. People from other languages. Or people in the US who may have grown up here, but grew up with a very strong dialect or a cultural nice that others find difficult to understand.

Jenna Redfield 6:02

And that's about a third. So the three different things you offer. Yeah. So that that is more is that more of the elocution code, and

Cheryl Moore Brinkley 6:10

that's that part of education. Okay, the third thing was delivery. Okay, so I am a trained and experienced stage director as well, and an acting teacher, bringing those tips to someone who comes in with say, I'm going to do my TEDx talk, I have a giant presentation for a new company or a new client base, and I want this to bump way up, or clients will come to me, even grad school. interviewers, you know, what's going on, I want to get, I want to be the edge, I want to have that edge going into these big career interviews. So whatever the application is, I can work with it and saying, you know, pause here, walk there. Look here, you're wasting your time at the top notch, connecting nonverbally before you connect verbally, so much. Yeah. So it's all under the same umbrella. Gotcha.

Jenna Redfield 7:09

So one of the things that I think I struggle with a lot is because a lot of my stuff is online, you don't get those.

Cheryl Moore Brinkley 7:16

Exactly.

Jenna Redfield 7:16

So how do you I don't know if that's something people struggle with is getting their their, you know, point across without having those available to them? I mean, that's a struggle you probably see too

Cheryl Moore Brinkley 7:27

this is a terrific question, because this is exactly what actors are trying to do. When we're talking to a camera in a film. There's nobody there. Yeah, okay. Only in our mind, when we're on stage talking to maybe someone on stage, but in a completely imaginary location or a time that doesn't even exist in the set or the reality of where we're standing. I think it's Sanford Meisner, a great actor teacher says, acting is behaving naturally in unnatural circumstances. So we all know how to communicate with our friends when we're comfortable, and it's just fine. And then we get like you and I are right now we're sitting in a booth looking at a microphone, we have headphones on. At least you and I are here together. But when we're alone, and recording or standing in front of a large live group and feel like we're separate and alone, all those nerve things can Yeah. So learning the actors craft is what really helps, and you don't have to go out and get an acting degree. That was my job. And I boiled that down to help you right now. I'll ask you a question. Okay. You can pretend to be my student. I'm good. Yeah, let's do it. Yeah, my students. Yes, we're talking right now. If we turn our heads light to the side, we can see one another. Right.

Who else are you imagining? We're talking to the podcast listeners. Okay, how many?

Jenna Redfield 9:05

The all the people online, not just the podcast listeners, but also on my Facebook. So a couple hundred and maybe up to 1000 people just listening every week.

Cheryl Moore Brinkley 9:14

Great. And that's the reality. And that's the fact. And that's the truth. But if you choose one, I'm sorry, listener, she's not doing favorites. I'm giving her an exercise. If you choose just one, okay. And it could be someone who's not even the podcast, audience but someone that you really kind of make an extra effort to communicate well, with that you're going to reach out a little bit more to that person who you want to get it. Yeah. The when you're working alone, in the studio, or any of you listening who do things like a webinars, or you Skype or you zoom or you you talk to someone on a video phone, message there. There some time. Sometimes you have the video, sometimes it's just the phone, you compensate. If you focus on the relationship with one person. I know who's in my mind right now, you're not going to find that.

It's a secret, my special friend.

But if you focus on that, then it becomes more intimate. Okay. And your thoughts tend to relax? interested, you're not worried about oh, I have to get the whole demographic when I come. Okay.

Jenna Redfield 10:27

Yeah, that's a really great tip. Because I think a lot of us freaked out by the idea that there's hundreds of people watching, you know, just think about that one. Exactly. That's awesome. And I think a lot of people in business have those personas, where they're kind of talking to that one type of person, and they have, like, this is a woman in their 30s. And they have a dog and a, you know, have kids. So it's like, for me, I always think about, oh, I have a bunch of different ones with those. But how can I get the point across to everyone you want makes?

Cheryl Moore Brinkley 10:54

Who makes you most comfortable? That you're your unleashed self as I yeah, not trying to be anybody else? Yeah, but as I say, making making the effort to really help them understand a lot of my clients fine choosing someone younger, that, you know, someone they'd be teaching something to.

Jenna Redfield 11:15

Yeah,

Cheryl Moore Brinkley 11:16

that's a great idea. It makes them feel not nervous. Or someone a little older, that they're trying to help, or that really good friend, depending on the style of your communication. Yeah. And

Jenna Redfield 11:28

I think that depends on the situation to if it's a monologue, or if it's an interview job interview, because I do think people are intimidated by job interviews or whatever. I think a lot of people actually struggle with confidence. And and this is not just for public speaking, but even just meeting someone at a networking event. So how important is the way that your body is when you're meeting someone for the first time? It's

Cheryl Moore Brinkley 11:54

55%. Yeah. So this is presence coaching, huh? And I do a little thing lately, when I when I go out to speak where I'm doing an intro workshop for awareness, which is kind of a little bit what we're talking Yeah, right now. And I call it my head hand, heart. Hello, approach. Okay. So head means two things. And one of them is just what you ask how important is your body, your alignment. Your posture, allows your eyes There's an eye in alignment, their posture allows your eyes to be in the center of your head looking at the eyes of the other person. And guess what? When you're on camera, there's one I have one person is called a lens.

Jenna Redfield 12:42

Yeah, true. Yeah, I've never thought of it that way. That's the only one I look at. Yeah,

Cheryl Moore Brinkley 12:47

camera does. Yeah, from the Latin word for I.

That's what that's what that's all about. One. One night. So where are your eyes I contact that's the first way we need make human contact meeting someone, you go to a networking event, you look across the room, and that person you make eye contact with, and you a little nod or something you make an entire contract about I call it a relationship contract. Oh, we have now just agreed to walk towards one another and put out our so literal spine alignment, I start with some simple polities alignment, allows us to breathe allows us to send out connection. First one is from the eyes. In the center of the head. What we're thinking about is the other part of head and I call that inner content. And that's directly from acting training. So we're not thinking about, Oh, please don't let me screw up, which is not helpful thing. Or what we start thinking about? Yeah, the other person,

Jenna Redfield 13:51

that's, that's really good. I like that, in fact that you have like that thing that you think about with all of the different parts of your body, because I do think it gets overwhelming even remember KK like a lot of it. Something that you teach people to just do instantly? Or do people have to think about it when they're talking to someone,

Cheryl Moore Brinkley 14:08

if you have to think about it, then we need more sessions, more exercises and more practice, it should be natural, okay, when you're speaking clearly to someone, you should not have to think about your words, too late. When you're playing Carnegie Hall on the piano, that was the practice part, is now time to play the piece. And we do this every day. Yeah, we really do it every day communicating with others, but we can be better at it and clearer and start thinking about what do they need from me? And that's where my coaching comes in.

Jenna Redfield 14:48

Gotcha. How long does it take people to see those results? And and make it become just second nature? It doesn't take a lot of practice, or does it take just a couple of times? Or

Cheryl Moore Brinkley 14:57

there is no?

Okay, so gotcha. You know, some people are more comfortably extroverted. And some of my clients will say, on the phone, when I meet them the first time they'll they'll say, I'm a very good presenter. That's why I have this job. But I want to bump up. So I want to know what it is that I don't know. And so we focus on that. Sometimes the first sessions I go, Oh, this is just what I did. And they don't need to come back. And then I wish I'd charged them a lot more.

Jenna Redfield 15:34

That's funny.

Cheryl Moore Brinkley 15:35

But But others will come to me and say, I'm really afraid, you know, I just know I can speak well, one on one. But I changed completely when I got in front of people. And that's that's a real specialty. Yeah, to and we start with the inner. There's no one way to be, I don't say people move your hands this way. That might look weird on you. So it's depending on the person coming from you. It's custom,

Jenna Redfield 16:01

what is the biggest fear that people have when speaking in front of a larger group? Is it the fact that they're going to mess up? Or what's like the biggest pulled up of people? What's yours? I actually don't have a fear of public speaking. Which I've Yes, I know. And that's a weird thing that I actually, it's because I sang a lot growing up in front of people. And it's way more serious sing in front of people that is to talk. And so for me, I'm like talking is nothing compared to Singing Singing in front of people. It's terrifying. I think it

Cheryl Moore Brinkley 16:30

kind of is. Yeah, and I've done that, too. I know what you mean.

Jenna Redfield 16:33

Yeah, I took Toastmasters in high school. My high school. It was like one of the first years that they had it. And so I took it because my friend told me to take it. And it It taught me a lot about things that I still struggle with, you know, saying and like, those are things that I know I struggle with. I also struggle I talk really fast. And that is another thing that I feel like I'm a little bit I know going into a presentation again, talk slow, take a breath. I think the podcast has helped a little bit because I think I'm used to asking those questions. But it's, it's something that I I know, personally, is the biggest part of my insecurity. And when it comes to public speaking,

Cheryl Moore Brinkley 17:12

well, then you you aren't a typical, most folks come in and out. They'll say code words like I feel uncomfortable, right? And I'm like, No, let's drill down. Um, we're afraid. Why do we afraid? And we go into that, what are we afraid of? Now? The bottom line is, we're afraid of failing, and then we will what is failing in this situation. And most people are afraid of that failure. It's always tied to survival. They're afraid that you know, they're going to lose their job, no one will like them, they'll die. Starving industry cannot happen. Yes, likelihood, not, not as I. So really, we get up in front of people and all the eyes of the wolf pack turned towards us. And we can either be lunch or lead. That's what our nervous system says. And getting comfortable with that is part of my coaching. But I won't tell you this. Because there's a whole new way to reframe that in how you think about coming to the situation. And that's what we deal with. Yes, couple sessions that

Jenna Redfield 18:19

makes so much sense. One question I did have also about your speaking voice, is Is it true that people who have deeper voices tend to be seen as more authoritative?

Cheryl Moore Brinkley 18:31

Can we just bust that line? I wanted to know if that's true or not? Well, you can hear all kinds of can meet all kinds of articles and hear all kinds of discussions about this. I'm a member of an international group called Vesta, voice and speech trainers Association. And these fabulous people go into this in depth all the time. So lower tones, lower pitch tones, tend, if they're in your natural range, get this we must always be speaking within our body's natural pitch range. And to force it anywhere that isn't right for the instrument we live in. is false. It can either be damaging to your voice, or just put out something phony, okay? Or like that. Those are phony or though Yeah, from for this. So we don't want to be other. We do not want to be other back to low notes. In your range. Your lower notes, if supported, can usually help you bring in more body resonance, which has a tendency to be warmer or richer sounding. Right? Yeah, however, there is so much gender crap man say that all old school ideas that that prevent men and women from especially women but but all Jenna all just there's actually trans people, everyone trying to fit into these norms, like higher voices and let's go right to the misogyny about this. Higher voices are hysterical. Right. insincere not taken seriously? Well, okay. I'm a soprano. If I speak, detached from my body, women's issue. I do hold workshops on this. If I speak detached from my body and my upper registers, I will just simply sound physically weak, which conveys other kinds of me. But if I talk at this same high note, and I'm really high here, on top of my range, but I bring in my body voice. I'm not as weak. Am I? Okay, yeah, it's about playing an instrument. Yeah. Fully and correctly. And there's much more than this, as I say, a whole workshop on it. But one of the things that affects the young and for me, that's most of you, from my perspective,

is the dreaded vocal fry.

Jenna Redfield 21:12

Yes. vocal about that.

Cheryl Moore Brinkley 21:14

The vocal. Like you just did it. Yeah.

Jenna Redfield 21:16

Yeah. I didn't know what that was. ago. And it's funny because I watch I know, it's terrible. I watched the Bachelor. It is so prevalent.

Cheryl Moore Brinkley 21:26

Well, there are so few things I can watch without.

Unknown Speaker 21:27

That is what they say

like a lot of weight mute.

Cheryl Moore Brinkley 21:32

at our house. Yes. But the thing about the fry, it comes from

the time when women started entering the workforce, trying to be on par with men. So we're talking about the 60s and the K it you know, coming full out into the open in the women's movement in the 70s. I was a member and I am a member of AFTRA. Voiceover and people were like, Why don't women's voices do this? Why don't women's voices get to do the tagline on the commercial and all that it was indicative of this whole again, idea that women's voices are higher lab and not taken seriously. So women entering the work, place thought erroneously to be taken seriously, I should talk like a man and men were affected to about not being allowed to be expressive. back then. The tides have turned but the ideas

Jenna Redfield 22:35

stick.

Cheryl Moore Brinkley 22:37

So younger men coming into the workforce now force now are much more expressive, and allowing themselves to be especially entrepreneurs and finding other ways to be in business. But that old school business model, it still sticks like there's an old white guy in charge. And he doesn't show any emotion. He talks about maybe three notes if we're lucky. Right? So young women, men coming in starting their career said I'm going to force my voice into a naturally low place and not seem hysterical. I'm not going to be emotional. And it turned out to be this Hmm. And then it became pervasive in educated young women on college campuses. And now it's not just women, huh? Yeah, it's the young. But it it was classified, I think, to three years ago now, as a voice disorder. Wow. Because if you're slapping your vocal folds together without enough support,

Jenna Redfield 23:34

wow. It can be really damaging to say how much damage has that caused people do?

Cheryl Moore Brinkley 23:39

Well, I can't talk more about that. Because I'm not a speech language guys knowledge. Okay.

Jenna Redfield 23:44

That's good to know that that's something that is it. Something that you can overcome, though, right?

Cheryl Moore Brinkley 23:49

To speak properly?

Jenna Redfield 23:51

That's how you teach. I do.

Cheryl Moore Brinkley 23:52

Because Do you want to sound like this when you're 45? Hi, honey, you know, who does that sound like somebody sitting at the end of the bar with a sec? That's true. And you will sound that way. Before year old? If we don't have healthy voice use? Yeah.

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So I know a lot of the stuff you don't want to talk too much about because it's your coaching. But is there like a tip or something you could give to people to maybe catch themselves that they are talking that way? Or, you know, thinking just maybe get something in their head be like, Oh, I should you know speak a little differently than I am?

Cheryl Moore Brinkley 25:43

Absolutely. I'm glad you asked.

One thing we can do right away is tune into how it feels. Healthy Body is a healthy body healthy voices a healthy voice. If you don't sit well, you'll get pains in your neck and you shoulders and you get headaches. If you're out of alignment, right. If you're speaking improperly, you will feel strained. If you have to talk all day, if you shout and we all do sometimes you'll feel that little stress after you've let it out. You know, if you lose your voice at a concert, that's extreme voice use, it's a way that you can go Oh, wow, I use those muscles and their muscles. I really push that. So an easy thing to do is record and listen. But listen immediately while you still have the feeling in your body. So even if you're not doing something that's really loud, and let's say you're doing your phone outgoing message, you do the phone outgoing message, you listen to it right away. And you might hear Hey, this is Cheryl. Everyone call me back. Oh my goodness. Oh, I just did that. And I didn't know it. But also, you might still have the feeling that gravel in your throat. And how did we learn to talk we played we played around with these brand new instruments and made all the sounds. So that's what you do try another way on your own. You can really get a sense of what your voice can do it and start becoming aware of it. Yeah.

Jenna Redfield 27:23

Another thing I recently learned about was your jaw and how it gets tight. So is there like any thing that you can do before you maybe go on a webinar about to do a podcast to kind of just loosen up a little bit your voice? Is that is that something you teach? Oh, I teach us a lot and

Cheryl Moore Brinkley 27:39

we start with john massage. And I can't do this. I can't show you. Yes, this is audio. Yeah. But many people think that stretching their job really big and wiggling it from side to side is a job release. No. Don't thrust your jaw forward or shove it side to side because that's hard on the jaw joint. Okay? Just drop it open and stretch like a yawn. And if you breathe in like you're yawning you got a really big jaw, mouth throat and lung opening. That's what you awnings for. Okay, so a pre Jaan is a really good way to release an open that jaw and just massaging the jaw joint with your fingers.

Jenna Redfield 28:26

That's a really good tip because I think I remember in high school choir, you know, you do those vocal exercises, but we do do that jaw. You know, even the massage touching your jaw. Yes, that works though. or is that not just

Cheryl Moore Brinkley 28:37

putting your the flat of your hands on the sides of your cheek? And and feeling your mouth just open and close? Open and close with no stress? While you're talking? It shouldn't shouldn't be like, Pac Man. That's an old? Yeah. But I think we all know the image. Yeah. Or like a puppet. You know, I'm area now just dropped some. Yeah, bounces up and down. Yeah, that makes so much sense. So

Jenna Redfield 29:01

I'll just ask a couple more questions. Um, so one of the things that we talked a little bit about was body language. But let's talk a little bit more about like, the way that we make that the confidence factor come into the body language, because it's about the way you stand. But then how do you also mentally think about it in terms of how do you it goes together your voice, your body and your mindset? Right? So let's talk a little bit about the mindset of, so how do you feel prepared to just meet someone? Okay.

Cheryl Moore Brinkley 29:35

This does this is the, you know, the big jam of my private gotcha is this first thing, though, I will only ask you the questions. Gotcha.

Jenna Redfield 29:45

Gotcha. So you, so you're more of the one that cries out and understands where their mindset is, that makes so much sense.

Cheryl Moore Brinkley 29:51

Well, I flip it to a place usually they haven't considered

Jenna Redfield 29:55

Oh, interesting.

Cheryl Moore Brinkley 29:56

So what I would ask you to consider and I'm not giving you any? Yeah, one of the first things I'm going to ask, I ask people to come in and, and, and stand in front of a camera or a microphone and introduce themselves as they would for networking, something like that. And the question is, what do you think you're doing?

Jenna Redfield 30:24

That's a good question.

Cheryl Moore Brinkley 30:25

So go journal on that. Yeah.

Jenna Redfield 30:27

everyone listening, write that down. Ask

Cheryl Moore Brinkley 30:29

yourself that next time you go into that situation? What do you think you're doing it with a little Adam, what do you think you're doing? But what are you thinking? Yeah. And then the next question is, who are you thinking about? I'm

Jenna Redfield 30:50

trying to think right now. What? What I would say the answer to that. So one of the things that you wanted to share as a tip is, you don't want to sound too formal or inauthentic. What does that mean?

Cheryl Moore Brinkley 31:05

Well, Jenna, many people wanting to have better diction, and be clearer, make the big fat mistake of separating their words in a staccato like manner, and over doing everything. And we sound like androids and you know, quasi British, which we have. That's true. Speech happens in a flow as it leaves us. We don't craft it, like some kind words are not crafted, like some kind of little sculptures in our mouth that we throw out at people after they're done. speeches of flow, a flow of ideas of flow of vibrated sound, and we shape the words as they leave us and go to someone else. We speak in and my term is meaning phrases. And I'm going to tie this right something you said a few minutes ago, he said, I'm a fast talker, listeners. I've been talking pretty fast, haven't I? I think it's pretty clear. But there's a lot of modulation and I get all my words in as I go. All my sounds but connecting one to another. How do we work on that? Yeah, deconstructed first break it down. Break it down. Practice your consonants everyday. Mom, a MIMO, mu Vavi, Volvo. Shop, he shows you etc. Break it down. This word is difficult physicists. Oh, yeah. We have to work on that a lot. Yeah, the STS is so breakdown, work on the sounds. But when you put them together, they're like notes. The sounds of language are the notes you play your your voice, your speech is music. And you wanted to string together and not be plucked away like chopsticks? Yeah,

Jenna Redfield 33:01

I think that makes a lot sense. It's interesting, because like, there's so many musical analogies and what you say. Because music, a lot of it, especially singing is is all about the voice and the way that the inflection and I did take voice lessons for about a year in high school. And I learned it was it's a very, it's a lot of conscious thinking sometimes at first at first, yeah. And then it's figuring out how to make that the on the unconscious of the subconscious part. But I think I kind of want to finish with I want to ask you a little bit more about the workshops you do. So what are the ones that you do? What are the ones that you offer? Because I feel like a lot of people listening are always looking for speakers at stuff. So is there I'm trying to promote you. So what are the what are the things that you offer specifically?

Cheryl Moore Brinkley 33:44

Right? Well, a larger companies, organizations or groups will come to me and do a full training. And we decide what that is I custom crafted smaller things, smaller workshops, that groups can just say, I want you to come do this one is, number one is a an awareness workshop where we get to play through and try some exercises, for that had hand hearts Hello approach from presence to speaking. And that yet can be like two hours. I also do the women's voices lead or women's voices at work where we get to spend a little more intimate time smaller group talking about how those ideas that we've been brought up with affect us and how to bust through those myths and us and release our authentic voices. Because guess what, everybody? The First Voice of authority in life is usually mom.

That's true. There's a lot about that. People go like, Oh, yeah. And women teachers

dominate profession. Another workshop I do that is by request and by group would be American accent training. And I don't call it accent modification, or reduction. That's like denying the values of the cultures that are coming to me. It's just learning something else. You've learned 234 language, languages, some of my clients. And I say, well, you can just learn an accent. So comes from stage accent training, we can just learn the American accent, it's a little more fun. And I show the How to for that. Then we can also do delivery workshops at any time group comes to me and says we want to work on this. We want to work on our Toastmasters, this kind of speech or we want to work on being better with PowerPoint.

Jenna Redfield 35:52

Yeah, and what so common and most companies have to speak at some point. Oh, yeah.

Cheryl Moore Brinkley 35:59

do if you're going to move into management? Or

Jenna Redfield 36:01

Yeah, that's true. Is it more or most people that hire you in the business side? Or are they more like in the personal development side where they're just wanting to know for themselves?

Cheryl Moore Brinkley 36:11

Most want an application like to do better at something? Gotcha.

Jenna Redfield 36:16

They have a struggle. And they try and overcome. Yes.

Cheryl Moore Brinkley 36:18

And sometimes it is very one on one. People say I struggle with this one on one. And and we can work one on one or group because the skills are the same. It's how we think about them.

Jenna Redfield 36:32

And it's just the practice. It's practice, practice, practice, practice.

Cheryl Moore Brinkley 36:35

And the voice and speech work is a little more like instrument. You know, you come in you learn something or you go practice it becomes second nature. Yeah, but something I'd like you to think about. Yes. As a sweet as a speaker singer. Yeah. As there is no difference between a singing voice and speaking voice. Is your voice true? Do you play well? Do you use it healthily? The basics of voice are the same. Singing is one application.

Jenna Redfield 37:03

Yeah, that's true. And I think that it's, it's just using it differently. And that's the only difference is just, you know, you have to learn how to sing on pitch. That that is an important part that maybe when you're talking isn't as important, I guess. But Awesome. Well, is there anything else you want to tell our audience we've kind of gone over the tips that you had brought in, and I just wanted to know if there's anything else, any last minute tips you want to share with everyone.

Cheryl Moore Brinkley 37:30

Think about where your sound is going. Think about the connections you want to make generally there with another person. So we want to line not just our bodies but will align our thoughts. Align your body align your gesture align where your voice is going out towards someone else. For them, yeah. And it's all from you. It's all uniquely you. And it's not about you. Hmm, I

Jenna Redfield 38:09

love that. That's a great way to end it. Awesome. Well, how do we find you online if we want to reach out to you

Cheryl Moore Brinkley 38:14

be vocal that's B as in boy V is invoice ocal.net and I'm on LinkedIn Cheryl more Brinkley, my my name. There's also be vocal LLC for Facebook and there's a tiny tiny little YouTube channel. Be vocal LLC.

Jenna Redfield 38:33